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adina popescu
2008-10-09 17:48:15

provocare

am impresia ca atitudinea americana este ireconciliabila.ei au o problema ,trebuie sa provoace ,sa inarmeze si sa conduca razboaie.din asta traiesc.din pacate isi gasesc si adepti care, pt. "google" o omoara si pe masa.dar evident "rusii sunt vinovati"pt. ca "stau in calea extinderii aliantei."

griar
2008-10-09 19:04:13

Re: provocare

ati uitat ca Rusia afost cea care a agresat mereu Georgia. Nu vorbesc numai de recentul razboi pe care tot rusii l-au inceput (stiu ca nu credeti decat minciunilor presei rusesti, dar asta nu e relevant). Rusia a deporat populatia meshetina din gerogia, Rusia a adus etnic armeni in Meshetia, Rusia a ocupat Georgia, insatlandu-si, prin inselaciune, bazele militare in georgia... Toate astea nu le luati inseama, pentru ca nu va convine. Or, fapte sunt fapte si vorbesc IMPOTRIVA Rusiei pe care o tot laudati.

SUA nu face decat sa arate ca nu-si abandoneaza partenerii. Daca nu acorda ajutor geporgiei, ati fi sarit, ca adineaori, asuora SUA, pe motiv ca isi lasa prietebii la nevoie. Oricum, ati fi gasit un motiv sa injurati SUA. :)

La 2008-10-09 17:48:15, adina popescu a scris:

> am impresia ca atitudinea americana este ireconciliabila.ei au o
> problema ,trebuie sa provoace ,sa inarmeze si sa conduca razboaie.din
> asta traiesc.din pacate isi gasesc si adepti care, pt. "google" o
> omoara si pe masa.dar evident "rusii sunt vinovati"pt. ca "stau in
> calea extinderii aliantei."
>

budulea taichii
2008-10-09 19:26:04

Re: provocare

Spre deosebire de rusii care sunt adeptii balciului mondial, SUA si NATO in general lovesc mai lent dar mai temeinic. Rusii abia de acum or sa inceapa sa-si incaseze facturile pentru circul facut asta-vara.

Pyrrhon
2008-10-09 19:37:37

iresponsabilitate

SUA inarmeaza Georgia din nou, Georgia va fi instigata sa atace Rusia inca o data. Ce urmaresc americanii? Chiar cauta un pretext pentru un razboi cu Rusia? Cum putem avea incredere in sistemul democratic american, de vreme ce acest sistem nu poate impiedica precipitarea lucrurilor catre o catastrofa?

Zenn
2008-10-09 19:55:17

Cum de s-a schimbat din "umanitara" in militara ?

Sau, cum se banuia, nici macar n-a fost vorba de altceva!?...

Zenn
2008-10-09 19:59:33

Re: iresponsabilitate

Pai nu te-ai prins? Asta-i scopul.


La 2008-10-09 19:37:37, Pyrrhon a scris:

"de vreme ce acest sistem nu poate impiedica precipitarea lucrurilor catre o catastrofa?"
>

Zenn
2008-10-09 20:01:24

Stai c-apare coana Pilaf sa ne "esplice" ea, cum ca rusii sant sant aia care cauta galceava.

La 2008-10-09 17:48:15, adina popescu a scris:

> am impresia ca atitudinea americana este ireconciliabila.ei au o
> problema ,trebuie sa provoace ,sa inarmeze si sa conduca razboaie.din
> asta traiesc.din pacate isi gasesc si adepti care, pt. "google" o
> omoara si pe masa.dar evident "rusii sunt vinovati"pt. ca "stau in
> calea extinderii aliantei."
>

Eufrosin
2008-10-09 20:04:33

Situatia pe scurt

Daca agresiunea instigata de guvernul SUA prin proxy, nu a constituit un semnal de trezire nici acum, inseamna ca pe unii nimic nu ii va trezi vreodata.

Greseala Rusilor de a nu merge pana la capat, efectuand o schimbare de regim in Georgia, va fi scump platita, inafara posibilitatii ca exista planuri pe cale de-a fi infaptuite, in acest scop.

O Rusie vesnic hartuita la frontiere este o Rusie care isi va apara interesele prin toate mijloacele la indemana. Aroganta si prostia guvernului de ocupatie al SUA, nu le permite sa vada ca vor plati pretul pentru agresiunea si belicozitatea lor, pret care va fi mult mai mare decat isi pot ei imagina.

Sa speram ca evenimentele nefaste din ultimele luni vor prilejui trezirea Americanilor de rand, care pot lua in mainile lor situatia absolut intolerabila in care i-au pus guvernantii lor.

Sa mai speram ca Romania deja in parte trezita, va face ce trebuie pentru a sari de la bordul Titanicului ce se indreapta rapid catre un randez-vous cu blocul mamut de gheata care il va scufunda.

Evreu-rus
2008-10-09 20:11:58

Dictatorul Saakasvili nu va mai rezista mult la putere

Iar diabolicii papusari americani vor ramane fara unul dintre dictatorii sai pe care il manevreaza conform propiilor interese (de cele mai multe ori, cu consecinte nefaste ptr toti ci implicati)- Revolutia Trandafirie din 2003, care a fortat pierderea puterii lui Eduard Sevarnadze si a adus la putere un om scolit in SUA, corupt pana in maduva si uns cu toate alifiile, a fost finantatya de Departamentul de Stat SUA, precum si de Fundatia Soros; prin urmare Saakasvili nu a devenit pres. gratie vointei populare, ci prin scheme dinainte stabilitate de altii carora prea putin le pasa de parerea gruzinilor. Un patriot ii va lua locul, unul sustinut de cetatenii georgieni care s-au vazut batjocoriti de doua ori, odata in 2004, iar alta data in 2008, si s-au cam saturat sa se lase condusi de strani cu intentii murdare. Ultimul bal americano-georgian.

Zenn
2008-10-09 20:46:53

I survived the Georgian war. Here's what I saw

Lira Tskhovrebova – Christian Science Monitor October 8, 2008

TSKHINVALI, SOUTH OSSETIA - In a speech before the United Nations last month, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili implored world leaders to set up an international investigation to find out the truth about the war in South Ossetia.

I couldn't agree more. But I think the results of an honest investigation would reveal a very different "truth" than what President Saakashvili claims.

I know this because I was in Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, on Aug. 7 when Georgian troops marched into the city and killed my friends and neighbors. I huddled with my family in terror for three nights while Saakashvili's tanks and rockets destroyed hundreds of our homes, desecrated cemeteries, gutted schools and hospitals.

I also have good reason not to trust what Saakashvili says. For three days before the attack I had been getting calls from many Georgian friends warning me to get out. They said Saakashvili was planning an attack. Most of the Georgians living in South Ossetia left because they knew what was coming.

On the night of Aug. 7, Saakashvili went on television and assured the frightened civilian population of South Ossetia that he would not attack us. This was long after the time Saakashvili now claims Russians had begun "invading" Georgia.

Ossetians went to bed relieved and thankful for a peaceful night.

Less than two hours later, according to credible international accounts, his artillery, bombers, and three brigades of ground troops unleashed what I can only describe as a fierce hell on our city. In the moment, we knew only our fear as we hid. Afterward I spoke with hundreds of Ossetians to find out what was done to us.

My friend's elderly father tried to douse the flames set by Georgian fire on the home he had built with his hands. His leg was severed by shrapnel from Georgian weapons. He bled to death while his disabled wife crawled from their burning home.

Ossetians saw Georgian tanks firing into basements where women and children hid for safety They saw fleeing families shot down by Georgian snipers. We learned that the Georgian military had used Grad rocket systems and cluster bombs against Tskhinvali.

Yes, I would very much like to see an international commission investigate the truth of what happened.

When I came out from hiding, thanking God that the Russians had saved our lives, I was dismayed by the reaction of the international media to what had happened. There was nothing about Ossetian deaths and the unprovoked horrors inflicted by Saakashvili's military. It made my heart sick.

The truth has been crushed by Georgia's powerful public relations machine as mercilessly as Georgian tanks rolled over the defenseless civilians of Tskhinvali.
I know that Americans are a generous and fair people. But Americans haven't been told the truth about what happened to us. Americans don't understand that Ossetians are an independent, Christian Orthodox people with a deep history in our land. The world talks only about Georgian freedom. What of freedom for my people? Does our suffering, do our voices, mean nothing?

I don't blame the Georgian people for what happened to us. The vast number of Ossetians and Georgians want to live in peace. I blame Georgia's leaders.

Saakashvili has persuaded the world that he is a "beacon" of democracy and openness. But he won't even tell his own people the truth. My Georgian friends weren't allowed to see any Russian news sites during the conflict because all of those sites were blocked by Saakashvili's government.

I know we are a small people, and I make no claim to understanding the experts in geopolitics with their theories and pronouncements about the great powers. But I have fought for women's rights in Ossetia for 12 years and I believe in the truth.

In a recent article, Saakashvili cynically dismissed Ossetian suffering and deaths because, he said, Russia had "lied" about how many of my people were killed by the Georgian military.

It breaks my heart to even engage in this discussion. No one – including Saakashvili – knows how many Ossetians were killed by his Army. I have friends who buried loved ones in their backyards because there were no alternatives. Many people are still missing.

Does Saakashvili believe his vicious attack on a civilian city was justified if he only killed a few hundred rather than a few thousand? Do Americans realize that a military trained and equipped by the US government attacked a civilian population as they slept in their beds? Can they justify sending another billion dollars to Georgia and nothing for those Georgia attacked?

I have made an urgent appeal to the world for humanitarian relief for our people at the website helpossetianow.org. I beg the United States and the world to find out the truth. Please hear our voices.

" Lira Tskhovrebova is the founder of the Association of South Ossetian Women for Democracy and Human Rights and has worked for more than a decade to improve relations between people of Georgian and Ossetian descent in the Caucasus.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1008/p09s02-coop.html

griar
2008-10-09 21:47:37

Re: Situatia pe scurt

Blocul-mamut de care zici e mult mai mic acum (o parte din el s-a scufiundat vreo 20 de ani in urma). Scufundarea Rusiei nu va fi chiar ata de specatucoasa, dar vom avea totusi la ce privi. :)

La 2008-10-09 20:04:33, Eufrosin a scris:

> Daca agresiunea instigata de guvernul SUA prin proxy, nu a
> constituit un semnal de trezire nici acum, inseamna ca pe unii nimic
> nu ii va trezi vreodata.
>
> Greseala Rusilor de a nu merge pana la capat, efectuand o
> schimbare de regim in Georgia, va fi scump platita, inafara
> posibilitatii ca exista planuri pe cale de-a fi infaptuite, in acest
> scop.
>
> O Rusie vesnic hartuita la frontiere este o Rusie care isi va
> apara interesele prin toate mijloacele la indemana. Aroganta si
> prostia guvernului de ocupatie al SUA, nu le permite sa vada ca vor
> plati pretul pentru agresiunea si belicozitatea lor, pret care va fi
> mult mai mare decat isi pot ei imagina.
>
> Sa speram ca evenimentele nefaste din ultimele luni vor prilejui
> trezirea Americanilor de rand, care pot lua in mainile lor situatia
> absolut intolerabila in care i-au pus guvernantii lor.
>
> Sa mai speram ca Romania deja in parte trezita, va face ce trebuie
> pentru a sari de la bordul Titanicului ce se indreapta rapid catre un
> randez-vous cu blocul mamut de gheata care il va scufunda.
>
>
>
>

griar
2008-10-09 21:51:26

Re: I survived the Georgian war. Here's what I saw

Si cate marturii vorbind despre violurile si jafyurile rusilor le gasesti peste tot, de ce nu le pui si pe alea aici? A scris o rusoaica niste... cai verzi pe pereti, si te-ai si grabit sa pui minciuna pe forum! Plateste bine Putin? :)))

La 2008-10-09 20:46:53, Zenn a scris:

> Lira Tskhovrebova – Christian Science Monitor October 8, 2008
>
> TSKHINVALI, SOUTH OSSETIA - In a speech before the United Nations last
> month, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili implored world leaders
> to set up an international investigation to find out the truth about
> the war in South Ossetia.
>
> I couldn't agree more. But I think the results of an honest
> investigation would reveal a very different "truth" than what
> President Saakashvili claims.
>
> I know this because I was in Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia,
> on Aug. 7 when Georgian troops marched into the city and killed my
> friends and neighbors. I huddled with my family in terror for three
> nights while Saakashvili's tanks and rockets destroyed hundreds of
> our homes, desecrated cemeteries, gutted schools and hospitals.
>
> I also have good reason not to trust what Saakashvili says. For three
> days before the attack I had been getting calls from many Georgian
> friends warning me to get out. They said Saakashvili was planning an
> attack. Most of the Georgians living in South Ossetia left because
> they knew what was coming.
>
> On the night of Aug. 7, Saakashvili went on television and assured the
> frightened civilian population of South Ossetia that he would not
> attack us. This was long after the time Saakashvili now claims
> Russians had begun "invading" Georgia.
>
> Ossetians went to bed relieved and thankful for a peaceful night.
>
> Less than two hours later, according to credible international
> accounts, his artillery, bombers, and three brigades of ground troops
> unleashed what I can only describe as a fierce hell on our city. In
> the moment, we knew only our fear as we hid. Afterward I spoke with
> hundreds of Ossetians to find out what was done to us.
>
> My friend's elderly father tried to douse the flames set by Georgian
> fire on the home he had built with his hands. His leg was severed by
> shrapnel from Georgian weapons. He bled to death while his disabled
> wife crawled from their burning home.
>
> Ossetians saw Georgian tanks firing into basements where women and
> children hid for safety They saw fleeing families shot down by
> Georgian snipers. We learned that the Georgian military had used Grad
> rocket systems and cluster bombs against Tskhinvali.
>
> Yes, I would very much like to see an international commission
> investigate the truth of what happened.
>
> When I came out from hiding, thanking God that the Russians had saved
> our lives, I was dismayed by the reaction of the international media
> to what had happened. There was nothing about Ossetian deaths and the
> unprovoked horrors inflicted by Saakashvili's military. It made my
> heart sick.
>
> The truth has been crushed by Georgia's powerful public relations
> machine as mercilessly as Georgian tanks rolled over the defenseless
> civilians of Tskhinvali.
> I know that Americans are a generous and fair people. But Americans
> haven't been told the truth about what happened to us. Americans
> don't understand that Ossetians are an independent, Christian
> Orthodox people with a deep history in our land. The world talks only
> about Georgian freedom. What of freedom for my people? Does our
> suffering, do our voices, mean nothing?
>
> I don't blame the Georgian people for what happened to us. The vast
> number of Ossetians and Georgians want to live in peace. I blame
> Georgia's leaders.
>
> Saakashvili has persuaded the world that he is a "beacon" of democracy
> and openness. But he won't even tell his own people the truth. My
> Georgian friends weren't allowed to see any Russian news sites during
> the conflict because all of those sites were blocked by Saakashvili's
> government.
>
> I know we are a small people, and I make no claim to understanding the
> experts in geopolitics with their theories and pronouncements about
> the great powers. But I have fought for women's rights in Ossetia for
> 12 years and I believe in the truth.
>
> In a recent article, Saakashvili cynically dismissed Ossetian
> suffering and deaths because, he said, Russia had "lied" about how
> many of my people were killed by the Georgian military.
>
> It breaks my heart to even engage in this discussion. No one –
> including Saakashvili – knows how many Ossetians were killed by
> his Army. I have friends who buried loved ones in their backyards
> because there were no alternatives. Many people are still missing.
>
> Does Saakashvili believe his vicious attack on a civilian city was
> justified if he only killed a few hundred rather than a few thousand?
> Do Americans realize that a military trained and equipped by the US
> government attacked a civilian population as they slept in their
> beds? Can they justify sending another billion dollars to Georgia and
> nothing for those Georgia attacked?
>
> I have made an urgent appeal to the world for humanitarian relief for
> our people at the website helpossetianow.org. I beg the United States
> and the world to find out the truth. Please hear our voices.
>
> " Lira Tskhovrebova is the founder of the Association of South
> Ossetian Women for Democracy and Human Rights and has worked for more
> than a decade to improve relations between people of Georgian and
> Ossetian descent in the Caucasus.
>
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1008/p09s02-coop.html
>
>

Evreu-rus
2008-10-09 22:14:25

Re: I survived the Georgian war. Here's what I saw

La 2008-10-09 21:51:26, griar a scris:

> Si cate marturii vorbind despre violurile si jafyurile rusilor le
> gasesti peste tot, de ce nu le pui si pe alea aici? A scris o
> rusoaica niste... cai verzi pe pereti, si te-ai si grabit sa pui
> minciuna pe forum! Plateste bine Putin? :)))

"Minciunile" dlui Zenn sunt mai mari fata de minciunile marca CNN, FoxNews, sau cele vehiculate prin presa americana (pe care se pare ca o lecturezi periodic, cu deosebita satisfactie si nestramutata credinta)?
Apropo, plateste bine domn general Michael Hayden?

Eufrosin
2008-10-09 22:25:02

Re: Situatia pe scurt

Unii dintre cei care-am trait aici, apoi am cunoscut si splendorile "lumii libere", avem calitatea de a vedea intreaga problema, in ansamblul ei.
E pacat sa pui atata pasiune in apararea unui sistem pe care nu-l cunosti.


La 2008-10-09 21:47:37, griar a scris:

> Blocul-mamut de care zici e mult mai mic acum (o parte din el s-a
> scufiundat vreo 20 de ani in urma). Scufundarea Rusiei nu va fi chiar
> ata de specatucoasa, dar vom avea totusi la ce privi. :)
>
> La 2008-10-09 20:04:33, Eufrosin a scris:
>
> > Daca agresiunea instigata de guvernul SUA prin proxy, nu a
> > constituit un semnal de trezire nici acum, inseamna ca pe unii nimic
> > nu ii va trezi vreodata.
> >
> > Greseala Rusilor de a nu merge pana la capat, efectuand o
> > schimbare de regim in Georgia, va fi scump platita, inafara
> > posibilitatii ca exista planuri pe cale de-a fi infaptuite, in acest
> > scop.
> >
> > O Rusie vesnic hartuita la frontiere este o Rusie care isi va
> > apara interesele prin toate mijloacele la indemana. Aroganta si
> > prostia guvernului de ocupatie al SUA, nu le permite sa vada ca vor
> > plati pretul pentru agresiunea si belicozitatea lor, pret care va fi
> > mult mai mare decat isi pot ei imagina.
> >
> > Sa speram ca evenimentele nefaste din ultimele luni vor prilejui
> > trezirea Americanilor de rand, care pot lua in mainile lor situatia
> > absolut intolerabila in care i-au pus guvernantii lor.
> >
> > Sa mai speram ca Romania deja in parte trezita, va face ce trebuie
> > pentru a sari de la bordul Titanicului ce se indreapta rapid catre un
> > randez-vous cu blocul mamut de gheata care il va scufunda.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Giuseppe Cocos
2008-10-09 22:27:16

Re: GRIAR

bai, boule, este chestis de cunostinta publica generala ca georgienii au inceput atacul .....ce ai probleme cu adevarul sau esti gorgian....?


La 2008-10-09 21:51:26, griar a scris:

> Si cate marturii vorbind despre violurile si jafyurile rusilor le
> gasesti peste tot, de ce nu le pui si pe alea aici? A scris o
> rusoaica niste... cai verzi pe pereti, si te-ai si grabit sa pui
> minciuna pe forum! Plateste bine Putin? :)))
>
> La 2008-10-09 20:46:53, Zenn a scris:
>
> > Lira Tskhovrebova – Christian Science Monitor October 8, 2008
> >
> > TSKHINVALI, SOUTH OSSETIA - In a speech before the United Nations last
> > month, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili implored world leaders
> > to set up an international investigation to find out the truth about
> > the war in South Ossetia.
> >
> > I couldn't agree more. But I think the results of an honest
> > investigation would reveal a very different "truth" than what
> > President Saakashvili claims.
> >
> > I know this because I was in Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia,
> > on Aug. 7 when Georgian troops marched into the city and killed my
> > friends and neighbors. I huddled with my family in terror for three
> > nights while Saakashvili's tanks and rockets destroyed hundreds of
> > our homes, desecrated cemeteries, gutted schools and hospitals.
> >
> > I also have good reason not to trust what Saakashvili says. For three
> > days before the attack I had been getting calls from many Georgian
> > friends warning me to get out. They said Saakashvili was planning an
> > attack. Most of the Georgians living in South Ossetia left because
> > they knew what was coming.
> >
> > On the night of Aug. 7, Saakashvili went on television and assured the
> > frightened civilian population of South Ossetia that he would not
> > attack us. This was long after the time Saakashvili now claims
> > Russians had begun "invading" Georgia.
> >
> > Ossetians went to bed relieved and thankful for a peaceful night.
> >
> > Less than two hours later, according to credible international
> > accounts, his artillery, bombers, and three brigades of ground troops
> > unleashed what I can only describe as a fierce hell on our city. In
> > the moment, we knew only our fear as we hid. Afterward I spoke with
> > hundreds of Ossetians to find out what was done to us.
> >
> > My friend's elderly father tried to douse the flames set by Georgian
> > fire on the home he had built with his hands. His leg was severed by
> > shrapnel from Georgian weapons. He bled to death while his disabled
> > wife crawled from their burning home.
> >
> > Ossetians saw Georgian tanks firing into basements where women and
> > children hid for safety They saw fleeing families shot down by
> > Georgian snipers. We learned that the Georgian military had used Grad
> > rocket systems and cluster bombs against Tskhinvali.
> >
> > Yes, I would very much like to see an international commission
> > investigate the truth of what happened.
> >
> > When I came out from hiding, thanking God that the Russians had saved
> > our lives, I was dismayed by the reaction of the international media
> > to what had happened. There was nothing about Ossetian deaths and the
> > unprovoked horrors inflicted by Saakashvili's military. It made my
> > heart sick.
> >
> > The truth has been crushed by Georgia's powerful public relations
> > machine as mercilessly as Georgian tanks rolled over the defenseless
> > civilians of Tskhinvali.
> > I know that Americans are a generous and fair people. But Americans
> > haven't been told the truth about what happened to us. Americans
> > don't understand that Ossetians are an independent, Christian
> > Orthodox people with a deep history in our land. The world talks only
> > about Georgian freedom. What of freedom for my people? Does our
> > suffering, do our voices, mean nothing?
> >
> > I don't blame the Georgian people for what happened to us. The vast
> > number of Ossetians and Georgians want to live in peace. I blame
> > Georgia's leaders.
> >
> > Saakashvili has persuaded the world that he is a "beacon" of democracy
> > and openness. But he won't even tell his own people the truth. My
> > Georgian friends weren't allowed to see any Russian news sites during
> > the conflict because all of those sites were blocked by Saakashvili's
> > government.
> >
> > I know we are a small people, and I make no claim to understanding the
> > experts in geopolitics with their theories and pronouncements about
> > the great powers. But I have fought for women's rights in Ossetia for
> > 12 years and I believe in the truth.
> >
> > In a recent article, Saakashvili cynically dismissed Ossetian
> > suffering and deaths because, he said, Russia had "lied" about how
> > many of my people were killed by the Georgian military.
> >
> > It breaks my heart to even engage in this discussion. No one –
> > including Saakashvili – knows how many Ossetians were killed by
> > his Army. I have friends who buried loved ones in their backyards
> > because there were no alternatives. Many people are still missing.
> >
> > Does Saakashvili believe his vicious attack on a civilian city was
> > justified if he only killed a few hundred rather than a few thousand?
> > Do Americans realize that a military trained and equipped by the US
> > government attacked a civilian population as they slept in their
> > beds? Can they justify sending another billion dollars to Georgia and
> > nothing for those Georgia attacked?
> >
> > I have made an urgent appeal to the world for humanitarian relief for
> > our people at the website helpossetianow.org. I beg the United States
> > and the world to find out the truth. Please hear our voices.
> >
> > " Lira Tskhovrebova is the founder of the Association of South
> > Ossetian Women for Democracy and Human Rights and has worked for more
> > than a decade to improve relations between people of Georgian and
> > Ossetian descent in the Caucasus.
> >
> >
> > http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1008/p09s02-coop.html
> >
> >
>
>

griar
2008-10-09 22:51:08

Re: GRIAR

Este CLAR DEMONSTRAT ca Rusia a programat DEMULT aceste atacuri asupra Georgiei, dorind o cionfruntare care sa demonstreze ca SUA nu e in stare sa-si ajute partenerii. Numai niste tampiti pot crede propagandei rusesti despre atacul georgienilor. Cine cunoadste situatia din georgia (santajul PERMANENT al Rusiei in cele doua provincii separatiste, mai cu seama!) NU va crede niciodata prostiilor pe care voi le tot scoateti din groapa cu minciuni rusesti... Despe violurile soldatilor rusi se stie, iarasi, din surse sigure... Nu cumva credeti ca va crede cineva pe voi, niste filorusi prapaditi pe forumul Ziua? :)))

P.S. "Stilul" tau de a te adresa catre oponent este tipic pentru un filorus. :)

La 2008-10-09 22:27:16, Giuseppe Cocos a scris:

> bai, boule, este chestis de cunostinta publica generala ca georgienii
> au inceput atacul .....ce ai probleme cu adevarul sau esti
> gorgian....?
>
>
> La 2008-10-09 21:51:26, griar a scris:
>
> > Si cate marturii vorbind despre violurile si jafyurile rusilor le
> > gasesti peste tot, de ce nu le pui si pe alea aici? A scris o
> > rusoaica niste... cai verzi pe pereti, si te-ai si grabit sa pui
> > minciuna pe forum! Plateste bine Putin? :)))
> >
>

griar
2008-10-09 22:57:34

Re: Situatia pe scurt

Ba cunosc foarte bine "sistemul" rusesc. Si am calatorit DESTUL demult, ca sa pot face comparatie intre cele doua sisteme. Asa de bine cunosc cele doua sisteme, incat nici nu-ti imaginezi cat de aiurea suna mesajele tale filoputiniste. :)))

Doamne fereste sa mai ajungem vreodata sa stam la aceeasi masa cu Rusia! "Mai bine ne sinucidem, decat inapoi in robia ruseasca. "- stii ce e asta? E o fraza pe care am auzit-o recent in cateva zeci de localitati ale RM - de la nord pana la sud... Si sa stii ca atitudinea asta s-a "acutizat" de cand Rusia a agresat georgia!


La 2008-10-09 22:25:02, Eufrosin a scris:

> Unii dintre cei care-am trait aici, apoi am cunoscut si
> splendorile "lumii libere", avem calitatea de a vedea intreaga
> problema, in ansamblul ei.
> E pacat sa pui atata pasiune in apararea unui sistem pe care
> nu-l cunosti.
>
>

Evreu-rus
2008-10-09 23:09:29

Re: GRIAR

La 2008-10-09 22:27:16, Giuseppe Cocos a scris:

> bai, boule, este chestis de cunostinta publica generala ca georgienii
> au inceput atacul .....ce ai probleme cu adevarul sau esti
> gorgian....?

Dle Cocos, Griar nu este un domn, ci o doamna (sau domnisoara) din Basarabia care va avea parte de o cazna cumplita cat de curand: rusofobia dumneaei ii va otravi sufletul si ii va tulbura mintile (prea multa ura acumulata intr-un singur om devine nociva ptr gazda). Si ar fi tare pacat, daca este tanara.

roy
2008-10-10 01:41:06

Re: GRIAR

Un deliciu sa-l citim pe Ahmed impostorul explicand cine sunt altzii si vorvind despre fobiile altora...

Bai Ahmed, tacerea e de aur, uneori!
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La 2008-10-09 23:09:29, Evreu-rus a scris:

> Dle Cocos, Griar nu este un domn, ci o doamna (sau domnisoara) din
> Basarabia care va avea parte de o cazna cumplita cat de curand:
> rusofobia dumneaei ii va otravi sufletul si ii va tulbura mintile
> (prea multa ura acumulata intr-un singur om devine nociva ptr gazda).
> Si ar fi tare pacat, daca este tanara.
>

contras
2008-10-10 02:24:43

Re: Dictatorul Saakasvili nu va mai rezista mult la putere

D/le Evreu-rus, din nou vorbesti despre dictatura si democratie fara sa ai habar despre una sau alta. Am avut mai demult o discutie despre democratie in care dumneata nu ai reusit decat sa te acoperi de penibil. Daca vrei, o aduc din nou pe forum.
Dar alta este problema. Cineva care este ales liber cu peste 60% nu poate fi numit dictator, decat daca suprima opozitia, justitia si presa libera, iar Saakashvili, oricat il urasti dumneata, nu a facut asta.
In schimb, Putin, desi a fost ales democratic cu un procent relevant, a continuat sa agreseze opozitia si presa contrara lui.
Deci, mai gandeste-te pe cine numesti tu dictator.

La 2008-10-09 20:11:58, Evreu-rus a scris:

> Iar diabolicii papusari americani vor ramane fara unul dintre
> dictatorii sai pe care il manevreaza conform propiilor interese (de
> cele mai multe ori, cu consecinte nefaste ptr toti ci implicati)-
> Revolutia Trandafirie din 2003, care a fortat pierderea puterii lui
> Eduard Sevarnadze si a adus la putere un om scolit in SUA, corupt
> pana in maduva si uns cu toate alifiile, a fost finantatya de
> Departamentul de Stat SUA, precum si de Fundatia Soros; prin urmare
> Saakasvili nu a devenit pres. gratie vointei populare, ci prin scheme
> dinainte stabilitate de altii carora prea putin le pasa de parerea
> gruzinilor. Un patriot ii va lua locul, unul sustinut de cetatenii
> georgieni care s-au vazut batjocoriti de doua ori, odata in 2004, iar
> alta data in 2008, si s-au cam saturat sa se lase condusi de strani cu
> intentii murdare. Ultimul bal americano-georgian.
>

contras
2008-10-10 02:33:05

Re: Situatia pe scurt

Trecand peste ultima discutie avuta cu dvs, prin care dvs spuneati ca ii credeti pe rusi mai degraba decat pe americani deoarece rusii o spun mai ferm (ca si Goebbels, de altfel) - pot aduce din nou discutia pe forum - , explicati-mi si mie prin ce este Rusia vesnic hartuita pe la frontierele sale, asa cum tocmai v-ati exprimat.

La 2008-10-09 20:04:33, Eufrosin a scris:

> Daca agresiunea instigata de guvernul SUA prin proxy, nu a
> constituit un semnal de trezire nici acum, inseamna ca pe unii nimic
> nu ii va trezi vreodata.
>
> Greseala Rusilor de a nu merge pana la capat, efectuand o
> schimbare de regim in Georgia, va fi scump platita, inafara
> posibilitatii ca exista planuri pe cale de-a fi infaptuite, in acest
> scop.
>
> O Rusie vesnic hartuita la frontiere este o Rusie care isi va
> apara interesele prin toate mijloacele la indemana. Aroganta si
> prostia guvernului de ocupatie al SUA, nu le permite sa vada ca vor
> plati pretul pentru agresiunea si belicozitatea lor, pret care va fi
> mult mai mare decat isi pot ei imagina.
>
> Sa speram ca evenimentele nefaste din ultimele luni vor prilejui
> trezirea Americanilor de rand, care pot lua in mainile lor situatia
> absolut intolerabila in care i-au pus guvernantii lor.
>
> Sa mai speram ca Romania deja in parte trezita, va face ce trebuie
> pentru a sari de la bordul Titanicului ce se indreapta rapid catre un
> randez-vous cu blocul mamut de gheata care il va scufunda.
>
>
>
>

....
2008-10-10 02:36:38

Re: Dictatorul Saakasvili nu va mai rezista mult la putere

Bai nea zapada da la cluj, atat ti-a mai ramas, sa arati cu degetul catre altii unde e mai rau.
Sa stii ca nici faptul ca sint unii mai prosti ca tine, nu te face mai destept.

iobagul roman
2008-10-10 05:27:53

citeste Baba Vanga

serios de interesant,dupa o recesiune impusa,urmeaza un al III-lea,noiembrie 2010,din nefericire tot programat(de aceiasi conducatori ai lumii)
In fantezia lor de a prapadii lume,au zis; din Rusia
o sa facem o spaima ,in mintzile incetzoshate.(au reushit)
Rusia se pare ca e ultimul obstacol impotriva lor,amin
===youtube===US AIR SUPREMACY THREATENED
GOD BLESS THE AMERICAN AND RUSSIAN PEOPLE

FB
2008-10-10 06:35:18

In acest timp ,ramasitele soldatilor romani de la Tiraspol

sunt ravasite ,batjocorite.Ce o fi fost in Osetia ? Ca nu au inceput georgienii razboiul de pomana.
Bata-va D,zeu bolshevici ordinari !
Sa le dea D,zeu sanatate la americani ca ne-am scapat (sper !!) de rusi pentru totdeauna !

Rhodos
2008-10-10 11:27:48

Interviul cu ministrul german de externe....

Spunea:

Rusia a ratatat o shansa istorica ..........shi ce shansa ,cind parea ca au invatat lectiile trecutului....hop . se udara inc-o data.

Solutia pt Rusia este schimbarea lui Putin ......nu este nimic de el,dar nimic.

Nu credeam, ca a ajuns la putere in urma partidei de vinatoare ,cind totii erau ametiti shi s-au bagat sub masa ,de frica mistretului ce se apropia ....

El ,marele Putin cu singe rece a ucis bestia ...shi astfel a ajuns preshedinte....

Reactii are dar minte prea multa NU!

Iar de" Mariner" ce sa mai vorbim......

Nu intelege ca nu poate supune Ukraina ,este prea mare ....

Eufrosin
2008-10-10 13:45:52

Re: Situatia pe scurt

Extinderea NATO pana in curtea Rusiei, constituie chiar mai mult decat simpla hartuire, este agresiune.

Odata cu desfiintarea Tratatului de la Varsovia, orice motiv rational pentru existenta NATO, a disparut.

Adevaratele motive au de-a face cu politica (atentie mare la cuvantul urmator) i m p e r i a l i s t a pe care o duce guvernul Statelor Unite, constand din agresarea nejustificata a tarilor mici si slabe (Serbia, Irak, Afganistan) si hartuirea prin proxy a tarilor cu care le este frica de un conflict direct, Rusia, in speta.

NATo dupa cum se stie, nu este decat organizatia terorista prin intermediul careia guvernul SUA isi justifica si sustine atacurile in lume.

In aceste conditii, orice om normal apreciaza fortitudinea Rusilor, care spun lucrurilor pe nume, spre deosebire de omologii lor Americani.
Rusia de azi nu mai este CCCP-ul anilor trecuti, dupa cum Germania de azi, nu mai este Germania lui Hitler.




La 2008-10-10 02:33:05, contras a scris:

> Trecand peste ultima discutie avuta cu dvs, prin care dvs spuneati ca
> ii credeti pe rusi mai degraba decat pe americani deoarece rusii o
> spun mai ferm (ca si Goebbels, de altfel) - pot aduce din nou
> discutia pe forum - , explicati-mi si mie prin ce este Rusia vesnic
> hartuita pe la frontierele sale, asa cum tocmai v-ati exprimat.
>
> La 2008-10-09 20:04:33, Eufrosin a scris:
>
> > Daca agresiunea instigata de guvernul SUA prin proxy, nu a
> > constituit un semnal de trezire nici acum, inseamna ca pe unii nimic
> > nu ii va trezi vreodata.
> >
> > Greseala Rusilor de a nu merge pana la capat, efectuand o
> > schimbare de regim in Georgia, va fi scump platita, inafara
> > posibilitatii ca exista planuri pe cale de-a fi infaptuite, in acest
> > scop.
> >
> > O Rusie vesnic hartuita la frontiere este o Rusie care isi va
> > apara interesele prin toate mijloacele la indemana. Aroganta si
> > prostia guvernului de ocupatie al SUA, nu le permite sa vada ca vor
> > plati pretul pentru agresiunea si belicozitatea lor, pret care va fi
> > mult mai mare decat isi pot ei imagina.
> >
> > Sa speram ca evenimentele nefaste din ultimele luni vor prilejui
> > trezirea Americanilor de rand, care pot lua in mainile lor situatia
> > absolut intolerabila in care i-au pus guvernantii lor.
> >
> > Sa mai speram ca Romania deja in parte trezita, va face ce trebuie
> > pentru a sari de la bordul Titanicului ce se indreapta rapid catre un
> > randez-vous cu blocul mamut de gheata care il va scufunda.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

berti
2008-10-10 16:24:54

Re: Situatia pe scurt

Putin si Medvedev au gresit in conflictul din asa zisa georgie .
Trebuiau sa mearga pina la tbilisi sa-l scoata de ... cravata pe acest terorist sakalvili , care a dat ordin sa fie masacrata , bombardata , populatia civila din Osetia de Sud.
A fost un reportaj pe canalul Planet , unde au aratat jurnalistii intrati in Osetia de Sud , ce facel au facut trupele paramilitare ale lui sakalvili in contra populatiei civile.
Femei batrine , copii , zaceau in balti de singe cu un glonte in ceafa , singura lor vina fiind ca erau osetini si nu georgieni teroristi !
De-a dreptul revoltator sa vezi asemnea imagini soc . Osetinii au jurat ca vor razbuna moartea familiilor lor .



La 2008-10-09 21:47:37, griar a scris:

> Blocul-mamut de care zici e mult mai mic acum (o parte din el s-a
> scufiundat vreo 20 de ani in urma). Scufundarea Rusiei nu va fi chiar
> ata de specatucoasa, dar vom avea totusi la ce privi. :)

contras
2008-10-10 16:26:46

Re: Situatia pe scurt

Constat cu surprindere ca dvs nu stapaniti intelesul unor termeni, de ex hartuire si agresiune.
Fiecare stat este liber sa adere la orice organizatie doreste, daca se califica pentru asta. Nu cred ca cineva poate fi condamnat pentru dorinta de a adera la NATO, nimeni nu a fost inclus cu forta in NATO. Fiecare stat este liber sa decida (sper ca nu aveti dificultati in intelegerea termenului).
Nu acelasi lucru s-a intamplat cu Tatatul de la Varsovia, care a fost cam nepopular printre membrii lui est-europeni. De aceea s-a si desfiintat, odata ce statele componente au putut sa spuna liber ca nu doresc sa fie intr-o alianta orientata impotriva vestului.
Nu prea suteti convingator cand spuneti ca Rusia nu mai este CCCP, deoarece metodele ei sunt cam aceleasi. Este adevarat ca s-au produs multe modificari, dar Rusia este cam la jumatate de drum si prea stie incotro sa o apuce. Capitalismul de stat condus de serviciile secrete si tendintele de autoritarism nu prea lasa multe sperante. Mai ales ca idolul dvs, Vladimir Putin, a spus cu gura lui ca dezmembrarea URSS a fost cea mai mare catastrofa geopolitica a secolului XX.
Revenind la termeni, hartuire se petrece la granitele dintre Abhazia, Osetia de Sud si Georgia, o stare continua de hartuire, la fel ca si in Gaza si Cisiordania.
Agresiune a fost in Transnistria in 1992, Osetia de Sud in 1991, Abhazia in 1993 si Georgia in 2008.

La 2008-10-10 13:45:52, Eufrosin a scris:

> Extinderea NATO pana in curtea Rusiei, constituie chiar mai
> mult decat simpla hartuire, este agresiune.
>
> Odata cu desfiintarea Tratatului de la Varsovia, orice motiv
> rational pentru existenta NATO, a disparut.
>
> Adevaratele motive au de-a face cu politica (atentie mare la
> cuvantul urmator) i m p e r i a l i s t a pe care o duce guvernul
> Statelor Unite, constand din agresarea nejustificata a tarilor mici
> si slabe (Serbia, Irak, Afganistan) si hartuirea prin proxy a tarilor
> cu care le este frica de un conflict direct, Rusia, in speta.
>
> NATo dupa cum se stie, nu este decat organizatia terorista
> prin intermediul careia guvernul SUA isi justifica si sustine
> atacurile in lume.
>
> In aceste conditii, orice om normal apreciaza fortitudinea
> Rusilor, care spun lucrurilor pe nume, spre deosebire de omologii
> lor Americani.
> Rusia de azi nu mai este CCCP-ul anilor trecuti, dupa cum
> Germania de azi, nu mai este Germania lui Hitler.
>
>
>
>
> La 2008-10-10 02:33:05, contras a scris:
>
> > Trecand peste ultima discutie avuta cu dvs, prin care dvs spuneati ca
> > ii credeti pe rusi mai degraba decat pe americani deoarece rusii o
> > spun mai ferm (ca si Goebbels, de altfel) - pot aduce din nou
> > discutia pe forum - , explicati-mi si mie prin ce este Rusia vesnic
> > hartuita pe la frontierele sale, asa cum tocmai v-ati exprimat.
> >
> > La 2008-10-09 20:04:33, Eufrosin a scris:
> >
> > > Daca agresiunea instigata de guvernul SUA prin proxy, nu a
> > > constituit un semnal de trezire nici acum, inseamna ca pe unii nimic
> > > nu ii va trezi vreodata.
> > >
> > > Greseala Rusilor de a nu merge pana la capat, efectuand o
> > > schimbare de regim in Georgia, va fi scump platita, inafara
> > > posibilitatii ca exista planuri pe cale de-a fi infaptuite, in acest
> > > scop.
> > >
> > > O Rusie vesnic hartuita la frontiere este o Rusie care isi va
> > > apara interesele prin toate mijloacele la indemana. Aroganta si
> > > prostia guvernului de ocupatie al SUA, nu le permite sa vada ca vor
> > > plati pretul pentru agresiunea si belicozitatea lor, pret care va fi
> > > mult mai mare decat isi pot ei imagina.
> > >
> > > Sa speram ca evenimentele nefaste din ultimele luni vor prilejui
> > > trezirea Americanilor de rand, care pot lua in mainile lor situatia
> > > absolut intolerabila in care i-au pus guvernantii lor.
> > >
> > > Sa mai speram ca Romania deja in parte trezita, va face ce trebuie
> > > pentru a sari de la bordul Titanicului ce se indreapta rapid catre un
> > > randez-vous cu blocul mamut de gheata care il va scufunda.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>