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iarasi apar ignorantii care cred ca stiu ceva despre evolutie ... din materialele de propaganda creationista.

Desteptii in schimb stiu totul despre creationism...din materiale de propaganda evolutionista.

Nu mai suntem la istorii biblice, determinismul (care contesta evolutionismul) nu est astiintific.

De vazut 'Evolutiia, o teorie in criza" si "Are un sens evolutia?", de Michael Denton, biochimist si genetician, fost director al Centrului de genetica umana din Sidney, profesor universitar in Noua Zeelanda si director de program la Institutul National al Sanatatii american.

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La 2008-07-19 19:25:26, Arcturus a scris:

> iarasi apar ignorantii care cred ca stiu ceva despre evolutie ... din
> materialele de propaganda creationista.
>

Aha, inteligent design, aceeasi Marioara cu alta palarie.

Apropo de Denton, se pare ca si-a schimbat ulterior pozitia ...
Nature's Destiny - 1998
From the impossibility of evolution to the inevitability of evolution: Anti-Evolutionst Michael Denton turns into an 'Evolutionist'.

http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho29.htm

it is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of modern science - that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be comprehended ultimately in its entirety by human reason and in which all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes. This is an assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called "special creationist school". According to special creationism, living organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series of supernatural acts, involving the suspension of natural law. Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies.


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"I certainly believe that natural selection is capable of generating change in nature; after all, artificial selection at the hands of man has generated considerable change in domestic animals and plants. So I don't think there's any doubt that a small degree of evolutionary change can and does occur. Natural selection could be the major factor involving these changes. This is a great strength of Darwinism, compared with its other explanations. But if you're going to reject natural selection as the major cause of evolution, you've got to find an alternative.

There are various forms of teleological theories, extending from Creationist intervention theories to nature mysticism. But these theories are (I don't want to be derogatory) an occultist type of theory. You can't really find any evidence that such phenomena are operating in nature, but you can see that natural selection can operate. This is a great strength of Darwinism."

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La 2008-07-19 20:44:58, MirceaS a scris:

> Desteptii in schimb stiu totul despre creationism...din materiale de
> propaganda evolutionista.
>
> Nu mai suntem la istorii biblice, determinismul (care contesta
> evolutionismul) nu est astiintific.
>
> De vazut 'Evolutiia, o teorie in criza" si "Are un sens evolutia?", de
> Michael Denton, biochimist si genetician, fost director al Centrului
> de genetica umana din Sidney, profesor universitar in Noua Zeelanda si
> director de program la Institutul National al Sanatatii american.
>
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> La 2008-07-19 19:25:26, Arcturus a scris:
>
> > iarasi apar ignorantii care cred ca stiu ceva despre evolutie ... din
> > materialele de propaganda creationista.
> >
>
>

Am fost pe link-ul dvs, am dat de un blog al d-lui Gert Korthof care analizeaza prima carte a lui Denton," Evolution: A Theory in crisis" cu citate trunchiate. Aceasta prima carte nu am citit-o.
In schimb, am in bibloteca personala a doua carte "The Long Chain of Coincidence" in traducerea franceza a editurii Fayard "L'evolution a-t-elle un sens" pe care am citit-o si recitit-o cu atentie. Gert Korthof s-a ferit sa analizeze aceasta carte publicata in 1997, desi comentariul lui a fost reactualizat in 2006.
Mutumesc pentru interesul la referintele care le-am dat.

a 2008-07-19 21:52:16, Arcturus a scris:

> Aha, inteligent design, aceeasi Marioara cu alta palarie.
>
> Apropo de Denton, se pare ca si-a schimbat ulterior pozitia ...
> Nature's Destiny - 1998
> From the impossibility of evolution to the inevitability of evolution:
> Anti-Evolutionst Michael Denton turns into an 'Evolutionist'.
>
> http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho29.htm
>
> it is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented
> here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of
> modern science - that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be
> comprehended ultimately in its entirety by human reason and in which
> all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are
> ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes. This is an
> assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called "special
> creationist school". According to special creationism, living
> organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built
> into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent
> forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series
> of supernatural acts, involving the suspension of natural law.
> Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented
> here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken
> continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic
> evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth
> are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less
> natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies.
>
>
> ups!
>
> "I certainly believe that natural selection is capable of generating
> change in nature; after all, artificial selection at the hands of man
> has generated considerable change in domestic animals and plants. So I
> don't think there's any doubt that a small degree of evolutionary
> change can and does occur. Natural selection could be the major factor
> involving these changes. This is a great strength of Darwinism,
> compared with its other explanations. But if you're going to reject
> natural selection as the major cause of evolution, you've got to find
> an alternative.
>
> There are various forms of teleological theories, extending from
> Creationist intervention theories to nature mysticism. But these
> theories are (I don't want to be derogatory) an occultist type of
> theory. You can't really find any evidence that such phenomena are
> operating in nature, but you can see that natural selection can
> operate. This is a great strength of Darwinism."
>
> ups!
>
>
>
> La 2008-07-19 20:44:58, MirceaS a scris:
>
> > Desteptii in schimb stiu totul despre creationism...din materiale de
> > propaganda evolutionista.
> >
> > Nu mai suntem la istorii biblice, determinismul (care contesta
> > evolutionismul) nu est astiintific.
> >
> > De vazut 'Evolutiia, o teorie in criza" si "Are un sens evolutia?", de
> > Michael Denton, biochimist si genetician, fost director al Centrului
> > de genetica umana din Sidney, profesor universitar in Noua Zeelanda si
> > director de program la Institutul National al Sanatatii american.
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > La 2008-07-19 19:25:26, Arcturus a scris:
> >
> > > iarasi apar ignorantii care cred ca stiu ceva despre evolutie ... din
> > > materialele de propaganda creationista.
> > >
> >
> >
>
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