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Eufrosin
2009-07-01 22:21:41

Cam prea una dupa alta

Sa fie oare ca firma Boeing are pe rol un avion ce nu se vinde ?
Nu ar fi intaia oara cand serviciile americane comit acte de terorism pentru a-i sabota - ce nu face un tata rau, pentru fiul corupt ?

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=41907

John
2009-07-02 05:15:51

Re: Cam prea una dupa alta

Esti imbecil


La 2009-07-01 22:21:41, Eufrosin a scris:

> Sa fie oare ca firma Boeing are pe rol un avion ce nu se vinde
> ?
> Nu ar fi intaia oara cand serviciile americane comit acte de terorism
> pentru a-i sabota - ce nu face un tata rau, pentru fiul corupt ?
>
> http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=41907
>

John
2009-07-02 05:21:11

opinia unui specialist, in urma cu 10 luni (inainte de AF 447)

If it's not Boeing, I'm not going.

Airbus is essentially a political organization that incidentally builds airplanes. Many of its decisions are heavily influenced or completely made by political considerations (the need to build a plant in a certain country, etc.). It plays an eternal game of catch-up with Boeing, trying to come up with gadgets that will make it seem ahead of the game.

Boeing is a for-profit corporation that makes its money by building airplanes that businesses and governments want to buy. It concentrates on building good airplanes because that's what customers will buy, and political considerations usually take a distant back seat to this motivation. It is not owned by the government and does not receive constant government handouts to stay afloat, and its officers are not appointed by the government as sinecures for persons in political favor. It cannot legally bribe foreign governments or persons to obtain overseas business, so it has to build better airplanes. The wings of its aircraft do not snap off below the design tolerances.

Airbus has a philosophy that says that the engineers who designed the airplane are the masters, and the pilots are mere attendants. If the pilot wants to do something that the engineers don't want done, the computers aboard an Airbus will ignore the pilot's commands. The aircraft also has many different "laws" (an interesting choice of words) that govern its behavior, and pilots must learn all of these, since the aircraft may not do the same thing in response to the same command when operating under different laws.

Boeing has a philosophy that says that the pilot is master and commander, and whatever he says goes, as he is ultimately responsible for the safety of the flight. If a pilot asks a Boeing to do something that the engineers didn't design it to do, the aircraft will warn the pilot, but it will still obey, and it will generally always obey in the same way.

Boeing is conservative, worrying first about safety and second about flash and glitter. Airbus is the opposite. I prefer safety over flash.

Thus, I prefer Boeing.

iskra
2009-07-02 07:57:24

ziaristi

Din pacate odata cu criza jurnalismul britanic a luat-o pe calea celui romanesc...adica au ajuns reporteri toti ineptii. Oprirea la sol a flotei lung-curier marca Airbus a fost ceruta de un nene avocat din Londra aflat in criza de bagare de seama. Avioanele NU pot fi oprite la sol de catre constructor din simplul motiv ca nu ii mai apartin, ci doar de catre proprietar (companie aeriana) sau de catre autoritatea aeronautica a tarii respective. Oricum nu se poate vorbi despre oprirea integrala a flotei la sol deoarece sunt avioane diferite, cu aparatura de bord diferita de la producatori diferiti (Thales, Northrop Grumman) samd deci oprirea tuturor nu ar avea nici un sens. Dar da bine in presa...

ziuatv
2009-07-02 11:16:59

atentiune! cad airbusuri pline! trebuie oprite!

si la noi,tot cu airbus a fost catastrofa la balotesti!
faceti ceva cu airbusele astea ,deoarece sunt sla be pe partea de automatizari.la perturbatii mari(goluri,vant,fulgere,sa) superautomatizarea o ia razna.
probabil pe partea buclelor de reactie inversa de presiune,viteza,traductori,sa, care induc instabilitate si oscilatii, conducand la ruperea avionului.
ar trebui ca, comenzile asistate electronic sa fie dublate cu unele clasice, mecanice, care sa se utilizeze la nevoie....
se stie, din alte instalatii industriale, ca automatizarile frantuzesti sunt cam poetice,sensibile,subdimensionate,scapand ceva din realitate...
trebuite oprite toate la sol si gasite solutiile.

alex dalaion
2009-07-02 12:17:13

Io nush'ce-avetzi cu acest avion de marca!?!

Iote ce frumos planeaza!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kHa3WNerjU

srelu
2009-07-02 15:12:07

Re: ziaristi

La 2009-07-02 07:57:24, iskra a scris:

> Avioanele NU pot fi oprite
> la sol de catre constructor din simplul motiv ca nu ii mai apartin,
> ci doar de catre proprietar (companie aeriana) sau de catre
> autoritatea aeronautica a tarii respective.
>

Pai exact despre autoritatile aeronautice este vorba. Nici una din ele nu va permite zboruri cu avioane pentru care constructorul a cerut tinerea lor la sol.

In rest, referitor la articol, problemele cu electronica nu pot fi cauza dezintegrarii bruste a unui avion aflat in zbor.

sailor66
2009-07-02 15:36:57

parere de specialist

BRAVOS john...ai postat exact ce trebuia! de la momentulBALOTESTI am evitat sa mai zbor cu jucariile electronice de proasta calitate produse de subsidiara EADS! prefer un EMBRAER oricarui airbus....pana si pasarile calatoare canadiene sunt mai sigure decat conserva de conceptie europeana!!asa ca daca vreti sa traiti pana la 100 nu zburati cu coshciuge marca AIRBUS!!!

John
2009-07-02 19:01:33

inca ceva

Multumesc, sailor66 !

Si mie imi place embraer, e foarte bun si sa stii ca LOT de exemplu si-a introdus multe in flota lor. Polonezii, or fi ei europeni, dar nu sunt prosti. Ti-amintesti cand era Petica Roman prim ministru? Ne-a lovit cu ceva airbus-uri de la patronii lui politici. Chipurile pt ca erau cele mai bune...

Acum, ca sa mai aflati ceva, unde se vor face airbusuri, haha!

http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_page/29229

Iubesc Tunisia, credeti-ma, dar daca cineva isi imagineaza ca transferul de la camila la avion e floare la ureche se inseala.

Mey, eu cred ca astia vor sa aiba si detonatorul marca al-queda build-in, de-asta ascund productia pe acolo.

In rest, watch out!

iskra
2009-07-02 19:08:36

Re: parere de specialist

sa te vad nene marinar cum traversezi oceanul cu embraeru'. A compara oferta embraer cu cea de la airbus e ca si cum ai compara maxi taxi cu autocarele de cursa lunga. Au toate roti...