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Crusader din Brisbane (...@hotmail.com, IP: 58.106.164...)
2009-01-05 09:21
Jewish Voice for Peace

December 28, 2008

Jewish Voice for Peace joins millions around the world, including the 1,000 Israelis who protested in the streets of Tel Aviv this weekend, in condemning ongoing Israeli attacks on Gaza. We call for an immediate end to attacks on all civilians, whether Palestinian or Israeli.

Israel's slow strangulation of Gaza through blockade has caused widespread suffering to the 1.5 million people of Gaza due to lack of food, electricity, water treatment supplies and medical equipment. It is a violation of humanitarian law and has been widely condemned around the world.

In resisting this strangulation, Hamas resumed launching rockets and mortars from Gaza into southern Israel, directly targeting civilians, which is also a war crime. Over the years, these poorly made rockets have been responsible for the deaths of 15 Israelis since 2004.

Every country, Israel included, has the right and obligation to protect its citizens. The recent ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in Gaza shows that diplomatic agreements are the best protection for civilian life.

Moreover, massive Israeli air strikes have proven an indiscriminate and brutal weapon. In just two days, the known death toll is close to 300, and the attacks are continuing. By targeting the infrastructure of a poor and densely populated area, Israel has ensured widespread civilian casualties among this already suffering and vulnerable population.

This massive destruction of Palestinian life will not protect the citizens of Israel. It is illegal and immoral and should be condemned in the strongest possible terms. And it threatens to ignite the West Bank and add flames to the other fires burning in the Middle East and beyond for years to come.

The timing of this attack, during the waning days of a US administration that has undertaken a catastrophic policy toward the Middle East and during the run-up to an Israeli election, suggests an opportunistic agenda for short-term political gain at an immense cost in Palestinian lives. In the long run this policy will benefit no-one except those who always profit from war and exploitation. Only a just and lasting peace, achieved through a negotiated agreement, can provide both Palestinians and Israelis the security they want and deserve.



evreu mandru din israel din Israel (...@yahoo.com, IP: 84.109.87...)
2009-01-05 09:51
Re: Hamas...

decided to end the ceasefire and fired 80 rockets on Israel, now they shall it what they cooked...

La 2009-01-05 09:21:44, Crusader a scris:

The recent ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in Gaza shows that diplomatic agreements are the best protection for civilian life.

George Dumitrescu (...@bigpond.net.au, IP: 58.161.208...)
2009-01-05 10:16
Re: Jewish Voice for Peace

La 2009-01-05 09:21:44, Crusader a scris:

> December 28, 2008
>
> Jewish Voice for Peace joins millions around the world, including the
> 1,000 Israelis who protested in the streets of Tel Aviv this weekend,
> in condemning ongoing Israeli attacks on Gaza. We call for an
> immediate end to attacks on all civilians, whether Palestinian or
> Israeli.
>
> Israel's slow strangulation of Gaza through blockade has caused
> widespread suffering to the 1.5 million people of Gaza due to lack of
> food, electricity, water treatment supplies and medical equipment. It
> is a violation of humanitarian law and has been widely condemned
> around the world.
>
> In resisting this strangulation, Hamas resumed launching rockets and
> mortars from Gaza into southern Israel, directly targeting civilians,
> which is also a war crime. Over the years, these poorly made rockets
> have been responsible for the deaths of 15 Israelis since 2004.
>
> Every country, Israel included, has the right and obligation to
> protect its citizens. The recent ceasefire between Israel and Hamas
> in Gaza shows that diplomatic agreements are the best protection for
> civilian life.
>
> Moreover, massive Israeli air strikes have proven an indiscriminate
> and brutal weapon. In just two days, the known death toll is close to
> 300, and the attacks are continuing. By targeting the infrastructure
> of a poor and densely populated area, Israel has ensured widespread
> civilian casualties among this already suffering and vulnerable
> population.
>
> This massive destruction of Palestinian life will not protect the
> citizens of Israel. It is illegal and immoral and should be condemned
> in the strongest possible terms. And it threatens to ignite the West
> Bank and add flames to the other fires burning in the Middle East and
> beyond for years to come.
>
> The timing of this attack, during the waning days of a US
> administration that has undertaken a catastrophic policy toward the
> Middle East and during the run-up to an Israeli election, suggests an
> opportunistic agenda for short-term political gain at an immense cost
> in Palestinian lives. In the long run this policy will benefit no-one
> except those who always profit from war and exploitation. Only a just
> and lasting peace, achieved through a negotiated agreement, can
> provide both Palestinians and Israelis the security they want and
> deserve.
> since 1948 the jews started are continuing an open war of anihilation agains the palestinians. They did take possetion of palestinian land, they did steal palestinians houses, schools, kindergadens, farms and the jews forced MILLIONS of palestinians in exile, part of them living now in the Gaza Gheto in appaling conditions ! Considering that a good percentage of the Palestinians are in fact christians can be seen as retributory measures for the suffering the jews experienced in the second world war at the hands of the christians in Europe but again, why against the arabs? Probably for opposing a traditional arab teritory of last 2000 or more being taken by the jews? And nobody can argue with the fact that jews are simply a tribe of the same large nation of arabs: the same colour, the same blood, the same manners, the same culture (lees PART of the religion), the same customs (as the circumscizion) , the same prohibitions in the diet, etc. In short I do not see the logical reasons of the jews actions but the hunger of epansions, of creating an universal fear, of satisfying an intrinsec need of destruction, the urge to manifest the same instinct of killers as the renown capo's of any nazzy concentration camp (did anybody know that 99% of the capos used by the germans in the concentration camps where jews, regardless of the quarters being made of gipsy, or homosexuals, or slavs, or whatever ?) And obviously another sensible conclusion can be observed: as a way to shift the international attention from another known fact - because more than 90% of the world finances are in jewsh control and the current enormous financial problems we are facing are directely generated by the jews - this nation of abortons considered only one way: A MASS KILLING ! Unfortunately they do prove again how far from any other life form known on earth every jew can be ! Even bacteria is noble in comparation!
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>

evreu mandru din israel din Israel (...@yahoo.com, IP: 84.109.87...)
2009-01-05 10:57
Re: Who started the War in 1948?

The first large-scale assaults began on January 9, 1948, when approximately 1,000 Arabs attacked Jewish communities in northern Palestine. By February, the British said so many Arabs had infiltrated they lacked the forces to run them back. In fact, the British turned over bases and arms to Arab irregulars and the Arab Legion.

Early in the war, from November 29, 1947 until April 1, 1948, the Palestinian Arabs took the offensive, with help from volunteers from neighboring countries. The Jews suffered severe casualties and passage along most of their major roadways was disrupted. Starting in April 1948, the Haganah took the initiative, and in six weeks was able to turn the tables by capturing the Arab sections of Tiberias, Haifa and later also Safed and Acre. They temporarily opened the road to Jerusalem and gained control of much of the territory alotted to the Jewish State under the UN Resolution.

From mid-May to mid-July, the critical phase of the war, came the simultaneous, coordinated assault on the new State of Israel by five regular Arab armies from neighboring countries (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq), with an overwhelming superiority of heavy equipment - armor, artillery and airforce. From then through the negotiated agreements that ended the war in 1949, Israel not only ejected the invading Arab forces, it also captured and held some 5,000 sq. km. over and above the areas allocated to it by the United Nations.

On April 26, 1948, Transjordan's King Abdullah said:

[A]ll our efforts to find a peaceful solution to the Palestine problem have failed. The only way left for us is war. I will have the pleasure and honor to save Palestine.
On May 4, 1948, the Arab Legion attacked Kfar Etzion. The defenders drove them back, but the Legion returned a week later. After two days, the ill-equipped and outnumbered settlers were overwhelmed. Many defenders were massacred by the Arabs after they had surrendered.

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.
The British commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, John Bagot Glubb admitted:

Early in January, the first detachments of the Arab Liberation Army began to infiltrate into Palestine from Syria. Some came through Jordan and even through Amman... They were in reality to strike the first blow in the ruin of the Arabs of Palestine.
On May 14, 1948 David Ben-Gurion read Israel's Proclamation of Independence in Tel Aviv. It included these paragraphs:

We appeal ... to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the building-up of the state on the basis of full and equal citizenship and representation in all its ... institutions.


We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and goodwill, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land.
The Arabs, inside and outside the territory defined for the State of Israel, gave no consideration to these offers of peace or the many other attempts to negotiate a settlement. Immediately following the declaration of the State of Israel on May 14, 1948 and the departure of the British the next day, the five Arab armies invaded Israel. Their intentions were declared by Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League:


This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.


La 2009-01-05 10:16:43, George Dumitrescu a scris:

> > since 1948 the jews started are continuing an open war of anihilation agains the palestinians. They did take possetion of palestinian land, they did steal


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