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Nu prea inteleg de ce iti dedici viata unei asemenea cauze ignobile.
Exista marturii cutremuratoare ..., exista documente, exista recunoasterea acestor crime atit de malefice incit par incredibile ...

Nimeni nu se asteapta AZI sa gaseasca camerele de gazare de ATUNCI ...
Lipsa lor nu constitue o dovada ca NU au existat ...,

mai ales ca se stie ca parte din proiectul Final Solution, a fost ``distrugerea tuturor devidentelor``:

<<Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, in a speech given at Poznan (Poland) to a meeting of SS Major Generals on October 4, 1943, acknowledged how secret the Final Solution was:
``We will never speak of it publicly. . . I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. ...
The Jewish race is being... exterminated... that`s quite clear, it`s in our program elimination of the Jews and we`re doing it, exterminating them ...
This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written and is never to be written...``

Rudolf Hoss, the Commandant of Auschwitz, wrote after the war that Adolf Eichmann, the bureaucrat in charge of organizing the deportations of Jews to the death camps, was ``the only SS officer who was allowed to keep records concerning these liquidation operations, according to the orders of the Reichsfuhrer-SS [Himmler]. All other units which took part in any way had to destroy all records immediately.``

Adolf Eichmann, in his memoirs, published in 1980, said:
``Around the end of 1941 or the beginning of 1942 Heydrich, the Chef of the SIPO [Security Police] and SD [Security Service], told me in conversation that the Fuhrer had ordered the physical destruction of the Jewish opponent.``

Elsewhere in his memoirs, Eichmann offered a virtually identical version of the content of Heydrich`s message:
``The Fuhrer has henceforth given the order for the physical destruction of the Jews``, and ``The Fuhrer has ordered the physical destruction.``
Eichmann asked for no written order.
Hitler`s wish as expressed through Himmler and Heydrich was good enough for him.>>

ma rog sustinerea cu arabii gazati este pur didactica. Nu se exista. Insa a invoca lipsa probelor ca fiind dovada inciminata e cam absurda . SI in soicietatea noastra in care unii sustin cu indarjire ca nu a existat aselenizare sau ca nu exista bomba atomica ... se poa aranja si cestya ca nefiind probe asta inseamna ca arabii sunt gazati. Exact dupa tipicu - realiatea este ce manarim noi ...

au evacuat cam in graba lagarele .. asa ca nu aveau timp sa faca disparute camerele de gazare....

La 2009-09-17 09:52:43, Seherezada a scris:

> Nu prea inteleg de ce iti dedici viata unei asemenea cauze ignobile.
> Exista marturii cutremuratoare ..., exista documente, exista
> recunoasterea acestor crime atit de malefice incit par incredibile
> ...
>
> Nimeni nu se asteapta AZI sa gaseasca camerele de gazare de ATUNCI ...
>
> Lipsa lor nu constitue o dovada ca NU au existat ...,
>
> mai ales ca se stie ca parte din proiectul Final Solution, a fost
> ``distrugerea tuturor devidentelor``:
>
> <<Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, in a speech given at Poznan
> (Poland) to a meeting of SS Major Generals on October 4, 1943,
> acknowledged how secret the Final Solution was:
> ``We will never speak of it publicly. . . I mean the evacuation of the
> Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. ...
> The Jewish race is being... exterminated... that`s quite clear, it`s
> in our program elimination of the Jews and we`re doing it,
> exterminating them ...
> This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written
> and is never to be written...``
>
> Rudolf Hoss, the Commandant of Auschwitz, wrote after the war that
> Adolf Eichmann, the bureaucrat in charge of organizing the
> deportations of Jews to the death camps, was ``the only SS officer
> who was allowed to keep records concerning these liquidation
> operations, according to the orders of the Reichsfuhrer-SS [Himmler].
> All other units which took part in any way had to destroy all records
> immediately.``
>
> Adolf Eichmann, in his memoirs, published in 1980, said:
> ``Around the end of 1941 or the beginning of 1942 Heydrich, the Chef
> of the SIPO [Security Police] and SD [Security Service], told me in
> conversation that the Fuhrer had ordered the physical destruction of
> the Jewish opponent.``
>
> Elsewhere in his memoirs, Eichmann offered a virtually identical
> version of the content of Heydrich`s message:
> ``The Fuhrer has henceforth given the order for the physical
> destruction of the Jews``, and ``The Fuhrer has ordered the physical
> destruction.``
> Eichmann asked for no written order.
> Hitler`s wish as expressed through Himmler and Heydrich was good
> enough for him.>>
>
>

La 2009-09-17 11:43:52, Ghita Bizonu' a scris:

> ma rog sustinerea cu arabii gazati este pur didactica. Nu se exista.
> Insa a invoca lipsa probelor ca fiind dovada inciminata e cam absurda
> . SI in soicietatea noastra in care unii sustin cu indarjire ca nu a
> existat aselenizare sau ca nu exista bomba atomica ... se poa aranja
> si cestya ca nefiind probe asta inseamna ca arabii sunt gazati. Exact
> dupa tipicu - realiatea este ce manarim noi ...
> ===============
nu e deloc nostim cind tu alegi sa faci pe "prostu`" ... chiar daca didactic.
am pretentii de la tine.

Despre cat de lunga sau cat de ascutita era sabia?? Chiar credeti ca aceste detalii sunt relevante??

acest sens dar cf metodei tale faptu ca nu sunt dovezi inseamna ca au loc ...
Nu subestima niciodat nebunia si prostia - unicele noastre doatari ce tind spre infinit ....

La 2009-09-17 11:49:00, Seherezada a scris:

> La 2009-09-17 11:43:52, Ghita Bizonu' a scris:
>
> > ma rog sustinerea cu arabii gazati este pur didactica. Nu se exista.
> > Insa a invoca lipsa probelor ca fiind dovada inciminata e cam absurda
> > . SI in soicietatea noastra in care unii sustin cu indarjire ca nu a
> > existat aselenizare sau ca nu exista bomba atomica ... se poa aranja
> > si cestya ca nefiind probe asta inseamna ca arabii sunt gazati. Exact
> > dupa tipicu - realiatea este ce manarim noi ...
> > ===============
> nu e deloc nostim cind tu alegi sa faci pe "prostu`" ... chiar daca
> didactic.
> am pretentii de la tine.
>

La 2009-09-17 12:33:19, Ghita Bizonu' a scris:

> dar cf metodei tale faptu ca nu sunt dovezi inseamna ca au
> loc ...
===============
nu este o METODA, ... nu este a MEA, ...
fraza are o aplicabilitate uneori generala, insa in cazul acesta ``particulara``.

Degeaba o faci pe simplistu`, ... eu nu am zis ca <<faptul ca NU sunt dovezi, insemna ca au existat ...>>
ci am zis ca <<faptul ca NU sint dovezi, ... NU inseamna ca NU au existat ...>>, mai ales avindu-se in vedere ca exista documente si marturii care atesta ca parte din proiectul Final Solution, a fost ``distrugerea tuturor evidentelor``:

<<Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, in a speech given at Poznan (Poland) to a meeting of SS Major Generals on October 4, 1943, acknowledged how secret the Final Solution was:
``We will never speak of it publicly. . . I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. ...
The Jewish race is being... exterminated... that`s quite clear, it`s in our program elimination of the Jews and we`re doing it, exterminating them ...
This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written and is never to be written...``

> Nu subestima niciodat nebunia si prostia - unicele noastre doatari ce
> tind spre infinit ....
================
atunci nu o subestima nici TU.
si adauga la aceste dotari infinite si ``maleficul`` !

Si precum zice si Bumerang (sau cred eu ca zice asta) ...
aceste detalii nu au importanta in fatza ororilor care au avut loc.

La 2009-09-17 11:48:26, Ghita Bizonu' a scris:

> au evacuat cam in graba lagarele .. asa ca nu aveau timp sa faca
> disparute camerele de gazare....
>
============
ce vorbesti ??
Ordinele germane de bombardament aerian au fost executate chiar si in 1945.
Haosul de ``graba`` s-a manifestat doar in cazul ordinelor de pe teren.
Iata ce se zice despre Auschwitz:

<<The last selection (care sa fie gazati) took place on October 30, 1944.
The next month, Heinrich Himmler ordered the crematoria destroyed before the Red Army reached the camp. The gas chambers of Birkenau were blown up by the SS in January 1945 in an attempt to hide the German crimes from the advancing Soviet troops.
On January 20, the SS command sent orders to murder all the prisoners remaining in the camp, but in the chaos of the Nazi retreat the order was never carried out.>>