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la articolul <br> &quot;Obama slams Bush for �39;appeasement&#039; remark in Israel&quot; <br> r> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/37166.html r> ============================================== <br> 07:05:20 05/16/2008 <br> Varsi_Padayachee <br> <br> Was not Prescott Bush the BANKER to the Nazi&#039;s? Bush�39;s IQ equals his belt size, so why should we be surprised when such MORONIC spew falls out of his sewage filled mouth! r> ============================================== <br> 09:05:22 05/15/2008 > ypochris > r> It is such incredible ego to think that a mere visit by you is some great reward that should not be given unless serious concessions are made first. Do Bush and Clinton really think a visit by them is so important that the entire political culture of a country should be revised to warrant it? Do they really believe that these leaders care so much about being honored by their presence that they will make great concessions to achieve it? Good lord! Get a grip! <br> To me it seeems far more likely that bothering to talk to those with different views, and yes, even hatred for the United States (dare I say justifiable hatred, based on past actions?)would go much further towards smoothing over past difficulties and charting a course towards a peaceful future. Standing over them with a big stick and saying that the mighty United States will not even deign to talk to them unless they do things our way will get us exactly nowhere- or worse, as we have seen. Going to them as equals- two nations, two human beings- will show the respect that deserves respect in return. Just because I have more money than you, more guns, more influence, more power- does that mean you are going to respect me when I treat you like dirt? Or will you just resent me if I act like I am better than you? r> Jesus said if someone strikes you, turn the other cheek. What he meant is rather than striking them back, recognize that you are at fault. No one is going to strike you if you have done them no wrong. Perhaps the wrong you did was minor, at least in your eyes, and did not deserve the response, and perhaps it did. But look inside yourself, recognize the wrongs you have done to that person, and admit that you were wrong. Only then can you be forgiven. r> Obama has it right. We need to go to our enemies and ask them how we have wronged them. We need to explain that the past is past, and that we have the opportunity to start fresh for the benefit of us all. We need to show that we are a humble, caring, tolerant, generous people. We need to treat our enmies with respect, so that they come to respect us. We need to offer our assistance in creating a better life for their people. We should offer our hand in friendship. If they spit in our face, we need to &quot;turn the other cheek&quot;- ask what we have done to anger them so, and how we can make it right. Only then, when we have tried and tried again to be just, to make up for past wrongs, only then should we consider pulling out that big stick we all know we carry. Waving the stick around from the start is no way to begin a conversation. <br> ========================================= > 07:05:14 05/15/2008 <br> jfmxl > Look at the Neocon aggression in the Middle East and rethink this appeasement phrase. Which side are the EU, China, and Russia &quot;appeasing&quot;? r> They are appeasing the US, run amuk in the poor, weak hands of George Bush. <br> The Neocons&#039; attempts to spread the &quot;Iran is killing Americans in Iraq&quot; meme has fallen on its face so far. r> But they never give up. It is up to the rest of the world not to &quot;appease&quot; the Neocons, not to allow them to destroy Iran. r> For we all do remember the results of the last great &quot;appeasement&quot;. > 04:05:11 05/15/2008 <br> ============================================ > ranfranthompson r> r> &quot;Bush is Nazi Germany&quot; from murican�39;s post. How close to right you may be. Remember the money folks of Wall Street embrased that fascist. W&#039;s grandpappy Prescott help finance their build up prior to the complete break out of WW 2. Had it not been for that money there may have never been a WW2 and millios upon millions of people would have lived out their lives. And today we would not have this insane war in the Middle East. r> ====================================== > 02:05:19 05/15/2008 <br> IceNine <br> I just want to compliment Strangetimes for the observation about Masada&#039;s fanatical insurgency-to-the-death against occupation by the Roman Empire. It is not surprising that there is violent insurgency against occupation by the American Empire, either: Smoldering resentment and violent resistance to foreign occupation has been a historical constant, across time and across culture. <br>

La 2008-05-17 17:28:22, moroianu a scris: > r> >; la articolul r> >; &quot;Obama slams Bush for &#039;appeasement&#039; remark in Israel&quot; r> r> Mai cititi inca o data si inca o data titlul acestui articol. r> r> Obama nu slams pe nimeni altcineva decat pe el insusi. Individul a afirmat r> exact ceea ce afirma unul dintre sustinatorii lui ferventi cateva randuri mai jos (cititi cu atentie): r> r> >; &quot;Obama has it right. We need to go to our enemies and ask them how we <br> >; have wronged them. We need to explain that the past is past, and that > >; we have the opportunity to start fresh for the benefit of us all.&quot; <br> r> Si continua in acelasi stil, ba, inca si mai rau. > r> Acesta este APPEASEMENT. <br> Pe cine credeti ca slams Obama?:-)))) <br> Obama a sarit ca ars pentru ca stie ca remarca lui a fost si este o greseala fatala. Si va pierde in stil landslide pe tema asta, si pe altele. > <br> Obama nu are curaj sa vina la Factorul lui O&#039;Reilly de teama sa nu supere pe extremistii de stanga, Obama a fost &quot;patronat&quot; de Wright timp de 20 de ani si cineva isi imagineaza ca aceasta caricatura de politician va avea balls pentru a se impune in fata lui Ahmadinejad, care stie una si buna, &quot;America si Israel are two evil countries&quot;? > r> Asta da, naivitate!

Las-o moarta. Acelas lucru a afirmat si McCain referindu-se la Hamas dupa ce Hamasul a cistigat alegerile r> r> La 2008-05-17 17:46:01, california a scris: <br> r> >; La 2008-05-17 17:28:22, moroianu a scris: <br> >; > >; &gt; la articolul > >; &gt; &quot;Obama slams Bush for &#039;appeasement�39; remark in Israel&quot; > >; > >; Mai cititi inca o data si inca o data titlul acestui articol. > >; > >; Obama nu slams pe nimeni altcineva decat pe el insusi. Individul a > >; afirmat <br> >; exact ceea ce afirma unul dintre sustinatorii lui ferventi cateva <br> >; randuri mai jos (cititi cu atentie): > >; > >; &gt; &quot;Obama has it right. We need to go to our enemies and ask them how we r> >; &gt; have wronged them. We need to explain that the past is past, and that <br> >; &gt; we have the opportunity to start fresh for the benefit of us all.&quot; r> >; > >; Si continua in acelasi stil, ba, inca si mai rau. <br> >; > >; Acesta este APPEASEMENT. r> >; Pe cine credeti ca slams Obama?:-)))) r> >; Obama a sarit ca ars pentru ca stie ca remarca lui a fost si este o r> >; greseala fatala. Si va pierde in stil landslide pe tema asta, si pe r> >; altele. r> >; r> >; Obama nu are curaj sa vina la Factorul lui O&#039;Reilly de teama sa nu <br> >; supere pe extremistii de stanga, Obama a fost &quot;patronat&quot; de Wright r> >; timp de 20 de ani si cineva isi imagineaza ca aceasta caricatura de r> >; politician va avea balls pentru a se impune in fata lui Ahmadinejad, <br> >; care stie una si buna, &quot;America si Israel are two evil countries&quot;? r> >; > >; Asta da, naivitate! <br> >; >

La 2008-05-17 18:35:39, dorinP a scris: r> r> >; Las-o moarta. Acelas lucru a afirmat si McCain referindu-se la Hamas <br> >; dupa ce Hamasul a cistigat alegerile > >; > r> La ora cand McCain a facut urmatoarea afirmatie, Hamas abia castigase alegerile in Gaza si n-avea istoria pe care o are azi. <br> r> In afara de asta, afirmatia lui McCain, pe care nu-l agreez pentru ca nu e un conservator, a sunat astfel: &#039;We will have to deal with them in a way or another.&quot; > r> Poti sa strigi si sa te agiti o mie de ani de acum incolo pe tema ca aceasta afirmatie este identica cu a lui Obama, care se aseaza la masa tratativelor cu Ahmadinejad, Castro si Chavez &quot;without preconditions&quot;, pentru ca nu vei reusi sa convingi decat pe no brainers. <br> r> Stiu ca va place sa credeti ca liberalii sunt destepti si conservatorii sunt prosti, dar aveti o problema majora, in sensul ca realitatea nu este ceea ce v-ar place voua sa fie.:-) r>

r> Oh God, Oh God... <br> r> Si atunci noi, talibanii, cu cine mai votam la toamna? Cu Hillary?... > r> La 2008-05-17 18:44:45, california a scris: <br> r> >; In afara de asta, afirmatia lui McCain, pe care nu-l agreez pentru ca > >; nu e un conservator, a sunat astfel: �39;We will have to deal with them r> >; in a way or another.&quot; <br>

Puten sa despicam firul in patru cit vrei incercid sa stabilim care a fost intentia lui. <br> >; La ora cand McCain a facut urmatoarea afirmatie, Hamas abia castigase > >; alegerile in Gaza si n-avea istoria pe care o are azi. > r> Nu prea inteleg ce vrei sa spui. cu &quot;n-avea istoria pe care o are azi.&quot; Pozitia fata de Hamas nu cred ca s-a schimbat fata de cea dinaintea alegerilor. Au reusit sa cistige alegerile ceea ce a creat o situatie mult mai dificila de gerat decit inainte N-a fost nevoie de discutii cu McCain sau Obama, au capatat credibilitate prin simpla lor alegere. > r> Un articol interesant care poate iti va permite sa intelegi mai bine care sint consecintele posibile ale unei politici de forta care exclude diplomatia <br> r> http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804 > r> The Gaza Bombshell r> After failing to anticipate Hamas&amp;#8217;s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, David Rose reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever. > [...] > r> Inceea ce priveste <br> >; Stiu ca va place sa credeti ca liberalii sunt destepti si > >; conservatorii sunt prosti, dar aveti o problema majora, in sensul ca <br> >; realitatea nu este ceea ce v-ar place voua sa fie.:-) <br> r> Putini dintre cei care au emigrat din alte motive decit cele economice simpatizeaza cu politicienii de &quot;stinga&quot;. De aici insa pina la accepta pe cei asa zisi de dreapta manifestindu-se ca atare doar in discursurile electorale din perioada alegerilor este cale lunga. > Ma voi transforma intr-un adept al oricarui pretendent la presedentie, in momentul in care isi va manifesta interesul fata de Constitutie si respectarea ei. > r> r> r> r> La 2008-05-17 18:44:45, california a scris: <br> r> >; La 2008-05-17 18:35:39, dorinP a scris: > >; > >; &gt; Las-o moarta. Acelas lucru a afirmat si McCain referindu-se la Hamas r> >; &gt; dupa ce Hamasul a cistigat alegerile <br> >; &gt; <br> >; > >; La ora cand McCain a facut urmatoarea afirmatie, Hamas abia castigase > >; alegerile in Gaza si n-avea istoria pe care o are azi. > >; > >; In afara de asta, afirmatia lui McCain, pe care nu-l agreez pentru ca > >; nu e un conservator, a sunat astfel: �39;We will have to deal with them r> >; in a way or another.&quot; <br> >; > >; Poti sa strigi si sa te agiti o mie de ani de acum incolo pe tema ca <br> >; aceasta afirmatie este identica cu a lui Obama, care se aseaza la masa r> >; tratativelor cu Ahmadinejad, Castro si Chavez &quot;without preconditions&quot;, <br> >; pentru ca nu vei reusi sa convingi decat pe no brainers. <br> >; > >; Stiu ca va place sa credeti ca liberalii sunt destepti si > >; conservatorii sunt prosti, dar aveti o problema majora, in sensul ca <br> >; realitatea nu este ceea ce v-ar place voua sa fie.:-) <br> >; > >; >

Bush e un politician desavarsit, a spus exact ceea ce trebuia sa spuna. r> r> Vedeti, domnule profesor, asta este ideea pe care doream sa v-o transmit si, cu aceasta replica a dumneavoastra, ma ajutati sa-mi fac pointul. <br> Stiu ca intentia dumneavoastra nu a fost aceasta, dar o minte intelectuala ca aceea pe care o posedati, a intuit adevarata situatie. r> r> Bush e republican si conservator, dar republican in primul rand, McCain e republican si nu e conservator, eu sunt conservatoare. > r> Noi, conservatorii, spre deosebire de liberali, suntem capabili sa vedem dincolo de declaratiile, mai mult sau mai putin sforaitoare, ale politicienilor. Degeaba imi spune mie Bush ca McCain e conservator, pentru ca eu am fost aici, n-am fost pe Marte, in ultimii sapte ani si sunt capabila judec singura cat de conservator e McCain. r> r> Dar, nu faceti o confuzie! r> McCain nu e nici Obama, si nici Hillary. There is a big difference! > r> Iar dumneavoastra, acolo, votati cu cine vreti, what do I care? r>

La 2008-05-17 19:11:26, dorinP a scris: r> >; alegere. <br> >; > >; Un articol interesant care poate iti va permite sa intelegi mai bine <br> >; care sint consecintele posibile ale unei politici de forta care > >; exclude diplomatia > >; > >; http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804 <br> >; > Come on! > r> Dar, da, sunt de acord ca jumatate, cel putin, din Departamentul de Stat american trebuie dati afara in suturi. Conloleeza s-a lasat manevrata de ei in loc sa urmareasca politica lui Bush. > r>

La 2008-05-17 19:11:26, dorinP a scris: r> r> >; Un articol interesant care poate iti va permite sa intelegi mai bine <br> >; care sint consecintele posibile ale unei politici de forta care > >; exclude diplomatia > >; > >; http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804 <br> r> r> Dorine, &quot;excluderea diplomatiei&quot; este o mantra liberala care este aruncata in lipsa de argumente. In loc sa argumentezi, reciti mantra si ai terminat discutia. Cine sa mai zica ceva cind e vorba de &quot;excluderea diplomatiei&quot;? r> r> Numai ca chestiunea nu consta in &quot;excluderea diplomatiei&quot;. Cei care folosesc sintagma o folosesc in loc de &quot;NUMAI diplomatia, cu EXCLUDEREA oricaror altor optiuni&quot;. <br> r> Nimeni nu exclude diplomatia, nici neoconii lui Bush + Bush insusi n-au exclus-o, nici macar cu Irakul. <br> r> Insa cind preopinentul te stie ca tu esti &quot;NUMAI diplomatia&quot;, atunci nu obtii nimic. Garantat! >

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Weekly Standard?? :))))))))))) r> r> La 2008-05-17 19:27:32, Robin a scris: > r> >; :-))))))))))))) > >; >

Scuza-ma, cind ai avut timpul sa citesti ce scriu imbecilul ala de David Rose? r> Cum poti sa desconsideri ceva fara sa cunosti decit titlul? r> Acelas lucru e valabil pentru Robin. r> r> r> La 2008-05-17 19:25:27, california a scris: <br> r> >; La 2008-05-17 19:11:26, dorinP a scris: > >; &gt; alegere. r> >; &gt; <br> >; &gt; Un articol interesant care poate iti va permite sa intelegi mai bine r> >; &gt; care sint consecintele posibile ale unei politici de forta care <br> >; &gt; exclude diplomatia <br> >; &gt; <br> >; &gt; http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804 r> >; &gt; <br> >; Come on! <br> >; > >; Dar, da, sunt de acord ca jumatate, cel putin, din Departamentul de r> >; Stat american trebuie dati afara in suturi. Conloleeza s-a lasat r> >; manevrata de ei in loc sa urmareasca politica lui Bush. r> >; > >; > >; >

La 2008-05-17 19:34:25, Arcturus a scris: > r> >; Weekly Standard?? :))))))))))) > r> http://www.humanevents.com/ r> http://www.nationalreview.com/ r> http://thepeoplescube.com/

La 2008-05-17 19:38:30, Robin a scris: > r> >; La 2008-05-17 19:34:25, Arcturus a scris: <br> >; > >; &gt; Weekly Standard?? :))))))))))) <br> >; > >; http://www.humanevents.com/ > >; http://www.nationalreview.com/ > >; http://thepeoplescube.com/ <br> >; > r> Eu m-am mai conversat cu Arcurus, tu nu, asa ca raman la parerea mea. <br> The Enquirer. Ori, Newsweek...hai, treaca de la mine.

La 2008-05-17 19:36:58, dorinP a scris: r> r> >; Scuza-ma, cind ai avut timpul sa citesti ce scriu imbecilul ala de > >; David Rose? <br> >; Cum poti sa desconsideri ceva fara sa cunosti decit titlul? > >; Acelas lucru e valabil pentru Robin. > r> r> Am citit Vanity Fair si stiu cu ce se maninca. Nu vad de ce sa mai citesc inca o litanie despre excluderea diplomatiei. Am citi &quot;abstract&quot;-ul tau, scris bine si concis si am considerat ca am prins ideea, in mare. Era vorba despre &quot;o politica de forta care exclude diplomatia&quot;, nu? r> r> Nu avem timp sa citim chiar tot ce se scrie. > r> Am citit totusi gemele descoperite de dom&#039; profesor in imensitatea internetului. Ce zici de asta: r> r> &quot;Obama has it right. We need to go to our enemies and ask them how we have wronged them.&quot; r> r> Incerc sa-mi imaginez faza. Cred ca ar ride aia si cu kooru&#039;... o saptamina intreaga! r>

La 2008-05-17 19:38:30, Robin a scris: > r> >; La 2008-05-17 19:34:25, Arcturus a scris: <br> >; > >; &gt; Weekly Standard?? :))))))))))) <br> >; > >; http://www.humanevents.com/ > >; http://www.nationalreview.com/ > >; http://thepeoplescube.com/ <br> >; >

Sa se spuna despre un prost patentat ca e politician desavarsit e culmea ridicolului. Dupa ce spui asa ceva, trebuie sa te ascunzi cativa ani. Cinci ani cel putin.

Bush e prost, ma, culca-te linistit. Pe tine nu te contrazice nimeni, ca n-are rost. r> r> r> La 2008-05-17 19:54:50, ... a scris: r> r> >; Sa se spuna despre un prost patentat ca e politician desavarsit e <br> >; culmea ridicolului. Dupa ce spui asa ceva, trebuie sa te ascunzi r> >; cativa ani. Cinci ani cel putin. <br> >; >

Articolele din Human Events sint scurte, clare, limpezi, bine argumentate, fara balast retoric, fara meandre logice si/sau ilogice, scrise intr-un limbaj echilibrat si pe intelesul oricui. > r> M-am dus de curiozitate pe articolul din Vanity Fair al lui Dorin. Are 6 pagini, Dumnezeule! N-ai sa gasesti asa ceva in Human Events. >

La 2008-05-17 20:04:46, Robin a scris: > r> >; Articolele din Human Events sint scurte, clare, limpezi, bine r> >; argumentate, fara balast retoric, fara meandre logice si/sau ilogice, > >; scrise intr-un limbaj echilibrat si pe intelesul oricui. <br> >; > >; M-am dus de curiozitate pe articolul din Vanity Fair al lui Dorin. Are r> >; 6 pagini, Dumnezeule! N-ai sa gasesti asa ceva in Human Events. > r> r> Si mai e ceva: articolele lor sint &quot;witty and funny&quot;.

Cand scursuri ca Ann Coulter au loc pe pagina respectiva ... e CLAR, foarte CLAR!! > r> La 2008-05-17 20:04:46, Robin a scris: > r> >; Articolele din Human Events sint scurte, clare, limpezi, bine r> >; argumentate, fara balast retoric, fara meandre logice si/sau ilogice, > >; scrise intr-un limbaj echilibrat si pe intelesul oricui. <br> >; > >; M-am dus de curiozitate pe articolul din Vanity Fair al lui Dorin. Are r> >; 6 pagini, Dumnezeule! N-ai sa gasesti asa ceva in Human Events. > >; > >; >