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Zold Janos
2009-05-14 21:48:46

Daca este SECRET...

... tu Tesule de unde stii? Ha?

Zold Janos
2009-05-14 21:49:14

Re: Daca este SECRET...

La 2009-05-14 21:48:46, Zold Janos a scris:

> ... tu Tesule de unde stii? Ha?
>

Poate de aici:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25482299-2703,00.html

carol zwilling1
2009-05-14 22:06:42

Tesu e la Bucuresti......

...iar noi suntem in Israel.........si suntem surzi.......aud?????
Pacat ca in Israel nu putem receptiona postul de radio EREVAN?!

alamar
2009-05-14 22:12:02

Mesajul...

Trimis de Pacificatorul Lumii acum cateva saptamani mulahilor din Iran , se pare ca nu a fost ascultat...

Vizita recenta a presedintelui Shimon Perez la Washington si "sfaturile " ( asa cum ne-a explicat dna Cornea ), pe care liderul isralian le-a soptit la urechea Copilului Minune se pare ca nu au nici un efect asupra prim ministrului israelian...

Ah ...si noua n-i se spunea , ca numai daca am alege pe acest Mare Om al Lumii , care se naste numai o data la cateva sute de ani , atunci Pacea pe Pamant va veni de la sine....

cotrofelnitza
2009-05-14 22:25:41

Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

... atunci musai recurge si la o actiune militara antiaeriana.
Orisicit, important e ca singele va curge, va recurge,
si va rerecurge valuri ghiurghiulii ...
Mama ei da Cruce Rosie Internationala, ca nu si-a tinut gura,
a zis ca are nevoie da singe ...

contraevreu-rus
2009-05-14 22:34:54

ABSOLUT NICAIERI NU E MENTIONAT NUMELE

lui Leon Paneta ,nici in alte ziare straine Germane,Franceze,Italiene,sau din Patagonia nu scrie absolut nimic de numele sefului CIA .iaR un delir a impresarului "jurnalist"Tesu.

carol zwilling1
2009-05-14 22:37:58

Re: Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

La 2009-05-14 22:25:41, cotrofelnitza a scris:

>
> ... atunci musai recurge si la o actiune militara antiaeriana.
> Orisicit, important e ca singele va curge, va recurge,
> si va rerecurge valuri ghiurghiulii ...
> Mama ei da Cruce Rosie Internationala, ca nu si-a tinut gura,
> a zis ca are nevoie da singe ...
>
Si tu ce propui?Iranul cu arme nucleare si un Islam radical ca un simbol al pacii Mondiale?????

Zold Janos
2009-05-14 22:42:47

Re: ABSOLUT NICAIERI NU E MENTIONAT NUMELE

La 2009-05-14 22:34:54, contraevreu-rus a scris:

> lui Leon Paneta ,nici in alte ziare straine
> Germane,Franceze,Italiene,sau din Patagonia nu scrie absolut nimic de
> numele sefului CIA .iaR un delir a impresarului "jurnalist"Tesu.
>

Ia de aici:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25482299-2703,00.html


US President Barack Obama has sent a message to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu demanding that Israel not surprise the US with a military operation against Iran, according to reports yesterday in Israel.

The Haaretz newspaper said the message was conveyed by a senior American official who met Mr Netanyahu, ministers and other senior officials in Israel.

The emissary is believed to have been the head of the CIA, Leon Panetta. On the Israeli side the meeting was attended by the Prime Minister, Defence Minister Ehud Barak and key intelligence officials.

carol zwilling1
2009-05-14 22:43:54

Re: ABSOLUT NICAIERI NU E MENTIONAT NUMELE

La 2009-05-14 22:34:54, contraevreu-rus a scris:

> lui Leon Paneta ,nici in alte ziare straine
> Germane,Franceze,Italiene,sau din Patagonia nu scrie absolut nimic de
> numele sefului CIA .iaR un delir a impresarului "jurnalist"Tesu.
>
Tesu a luat de aici unde se mentioneaza ceva.....

http://www.debka.com/index1.php

Evreu-rus
2009-05-14 22:55:51

Dumneata nu citesti presa din tara dumitale?

La 2009-05-14 22:06:42, carol zwilling1 a scris:

> ...iar noi suntem in Israel.........si suntem surzi.......aud?????
> Pacat ca in Israel nu putem receptiona postul de radio EREVAN?!

"U.S. President Barack Obama has sent a message to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu demanding that Israel not surprise the U.S. with an Israeli military operation against Iran. The message was conveyed by a senior American official who met in Israel with Netanyahu, ministers and other senior officials. Earlier, Netanyahu's envoy visited Washington and met with National Security Adviser James Jones and with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and discussed the dialogue Obama has initiated with Tehran.

The message from the American envoy to the prime minister reveals U.S. concern that Israel could lose patience and act against Iran. It is important to the Americans that they not be caught off guard and find themselves facing facts on the ground at the last minute.

Obama did not wait for his White House meeting with Netanyahu, scheduled for next Monday, to deliver his message, but rather sent it ahead of time with his envoy. "

Obama warns Netanyahu: Don't surprise me with Iran strike
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085466.html

Evreu-rus
2009-05-14 22:59:14

Re: Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

La 2009-05-14 22:37:58, carol zwilling1 a scris:

> Si tu ce propui?Iranul cu arme nucleare si un Islam radical ca un
> simbol al pacii Mondiale?????

Un Iran nuclear si echilibru in regiune. Ori dezarmarea nucleara a Israelului si o zona libera de arme de distrugere in masa.

dorumare
2009-05-14 23:25:47

Re: Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

> Si tu ce propui?Iranul cu arme nucleare si un Islam radical ca un
> simbol al pacii Mondiale?????
>
mai bine e un Israel fara arme nucleare si atunci nu si-ar mai permite nici altii sa aiba... Umbrela americana e suficienta...

cercetas
2009-05-15 00:12:42

Nu mai am incredere in Israel, pai cat o tot lungeste domne??? Nu mai sunt evreii ce-au fost prin 48

Nu mai sunt evreii ce-au fost prin 48 sau 69 sauy 73, aleluia!
acum, am vazut io cum au facut in Gaza, parca tine cu dusmanu, domne!
auzi colo, cica sa loveasca ochit...
pai harapii cand fuge pe strada cu buldozeru, fuge dupa unu anume?

contraevreu-rus
2009-05-15 00:15:04

Re: Dumneata nu citesti presa din tara dumitale?

Cretinule unde scrie pe copy-paste despre Leon Paneta,numai in Australia scrie despre el daca o fi vreun ziar arab ca si Ziua.In Haaretz nu scrie numele lui Paneta si nici nu a fost in Israel ca asa ceva daca e secret nimeni nu stie daca nu e secret ar fi aflat si alte ziare decat cel din Australia cum A POSTAT CINEVA.




La 2009-05-14 22:55:51, Evreu-rus a scris:

> La 2009-05-14 22:06:42, carol zwilling1 a scris:
>
> > ...iar noi suntem in Israel.........si suntem surzi.......aud?????
> > Pacat ca in Israel nu putem receptiona postul de radio EREVAN?!
>
> "U.S. President Barack Obama has sent a message to Prime Minister
> Benjamin Netanyahu demanding that Israel not surprise the U.S. with
> an Israeli military operation against Iran. The message was conveyed
> by a senior American official who met in Israel with Netanyahu,
> ministers and other senior officials. Earlier, Netanyahu's envoy
> visited Washington and met with National Security Adviser James Jones
> and with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and discussed the
> dialogue Obama has initiated with Tehran.
>
> The message from the American envoy to the prime minister reveals U.S.
> concern that Israel could lose patience and act against Iran. It is
> important to the Americans that they not be caught off guard and find
> themselves facing facts on the ground at the last minute.
>
> Obama did not wait for his White House meeting with Netanyahu,
> scheduled for next Monday, to deliver his message, but rather sent it
> ahead of time with his envoy. "
>
> Obama warns Netanyahu: Don't surprise me with Iran strike
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085466.html
>

akimottte
2009-05-15 00:15:37

Re: Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

Jegule, iar ai pareri ?
Sigur ca tre sa aibe si aia atomica...dupa mine si Siria ar trebui s-o aibe... sa vezi atunci ciuguleala din palma si benzina ieftina ca pa vremuri !
Da tu esti prea rasist si terorist ca sa gindesti ....


La 2009-05-14 22:37:58, carol zwilling1 a scris:

> La 2009-05-14 22:25:41, cotrofelnitza a scris:
>
> >
> > ... atunci musai recurge si la o actiune militara antiaeriana.
> > Orisicit, important e ca singele va curge, va recurge,
> > si va rerecurge valuri ghiurghiulii ...
> > Mama ei da Cruce Rosie Internationala, ca nu si-a tinut gura,
> > a zis ca are nevoie da singe ...
> >
> Si tu ce propui?Iranul cu arme nucleare si un Islam radical ca un
> simbol al pacii Mondiale?????
>

contraevreu-rus
2009-05-15 00:18:30

Re: Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

Cand ai sa vi cu probe concrete sau dovezi ca o tara normala poate avea incredere in islamofascisti sau musulmani revino cu propunerea ta .





La 2009-05-14 22:59:14, Evreu-rus a scris:

> La 2009-05-14 22:37:58, carol zwilling1 a scris:
>
> > Si tu ce propui?Iranul cu arme nucleare si un Islam radical ca un
> > simbol al pacii Mondiale?????
>
> Un Iran nuclear si echilibru in regiune. Ori dezarmarea nucleara a
> Israelului si o zona libera de arme de distrugere in masa.
>
>

evreu mandru din israel
2009-05-15 00:37:48

Obama the rookie

US president’s disastrous Middle Eastern policy will not stop Iran

Mordechai Kedar Published: 05.14.09, 12:39 / Israel Opinion

Thirty years ago, at the end of 1978 and beginning of 1979, US President Jimmy Carter’s blind approach and his obsessive concern for human rights everywhere, and particularly in the Shah-ruled Iran, prompted Khomeini’s rise and brought Khomeinism to power. Carter did not permit the Shah to handle the protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire. The result was the ayatollah takeover of Iran and the murder of thousands of Shah supporters. Everything the world suffered, is suffering, and will suffer because of Iran is the direct result of the short-sightedness of an American president who understood nothing in the ways of the Middle East.


The enduring problem of American politicians is that they view the world via their own cultural lenses and think that "if only we engage in dialogue with the others" they will be "like us," "just like everyone else," and "will become nice"; if only we give them jobs and comply with their "just" demands (the right of return, our capital which never had Palestinian significance, unwillingness to recognize our state, etc.) they will go to work in the morning and return in the evening to play with their children and fish.

Obama is currently making the same mistakes Carter did. He naively thinks that through dialogue with the ayatollahs he will achieve what the Europeans have failed to achieve for many years. He refuses to read what many researchers, politicians, and statesmen worldwide write, and refuses to listen to all those concerned by Iran – Arabs, Israelis, and Europeans – who have no doubt that the ayatollahs intend to first take over the Middle East, and later possibly take over the entire world, should they be given the chance.

Only a blind person would not see the manner in which Iran, even before it has turned nuclear, quickly changes the face of the Middle East. Iran’s long arms are already tightly grasping Lebanon, Iraq, and Gaza, and are also decisively and powerfully directed at other states such as Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Oman, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia.

Only a deaf person would not hear the cries of distress emerging from the Arab world (irrespective of Israel and its concerns,) as its leaders see the Persians, their historically hated rivals, rattling their sabres en route to paying back the Bedouins of the desert, uncultured barbarians in their view, for ruining, in the seventh century, the Persian nation, which was educated, progressive and modern at the time.

Only a blind person would fail to see the preparations undertaken by Iran’s Shiite leaders en route to taking their revenge on the Sunnis for 1,350 years of oppression, persecution, and assassinations undertaken by the Sunnis against the Shiite opposition any time and any place they could do it.

Obama thinks that if only Israel will be reduced to the size appropriate for it, that is, the 1949 borders (the "Auschwitz borders" in the words of Abba Eban, a peace-loving dove,) the Arab and Muslim world will sit around the bonfire with the Americas and sing. Some members of his team believe that Israel is the source of the problems in the Arab and Islamic world, and that if only peace will prevail between Israel and the Palestinians, the problems of Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Lebanon, the Shiites, the Sunnis, al-Qaeda, and the Islamic Brotherhood will be resolved at once.

I hereby offer Obama and his people very important information: Even if Israel decides to evaporate, disappear, and wipe itself off the map, all the other problems will continue to kill, just as was the case when Israel existed.

Only an American president who decided to engineer the Arab and Islamic world in line with American standards can fall and make others fall into the trap of historical mistakes that Carter and Bush fell into, each in their own time and style. As a result of their errors, thousands of people in the region were massacred, killed, and wounded.

The American president conducts himself vis-à-vis the Arab and Islamic world like a rookie trying to command an armored division. Obama is rushing forwarded on an imaginary horse, and the people of the region can only hope that his terrible mistakes will not cost the lives of additional thousands.

The gravest matter of all is that some Israelis played a significant role in shaping Obama’s mistakes, and the blood of their brethren, other Israelis, will be the price we shall pay for the actions of those who sold Obama their imaginations, along with several foolish ideas that undermined our security and our self-confidence.



Dr. Mordechai Kedar is a lecturer at Bar-Ilan University’s department of Arabic

Evreu-rus
2009-05-15 01:03:55

Re: Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

La 2009-05-15 00:18:30, contraevreu-rus a scris:

> Cand ai sa vi cu probe concrete sau dovezi ca o tara normala poate
> avea incredere in islamofascisti sau musulmani revino cu propunerea
> ta .

Cand ai sa vii cu dovezi concrete conform carora statele musulmane se pot simti in siguranta avand alaturi un Israel nuclear, atunci iti poti permite sa emiti pretentii. Pana atunci, cioculetul mic!

contraevreu-rus
2009-05-15 05:49:09

Re: Pai daca Israelu' "recurge la o actiune militara antiiraniana." ...

Tu iesti mai dement decat permite legea,Israel are pace cu Egypt si Jordan,crezi ca nu se simt in siguranta ,cu cine se simte sigura India,Tarile din Golf,din cauza Iranului,Crestini in Liban.



2009-05-15 01:03:55, Evreu-rus a scris:

> La 2009-05-15 00:18:30, contraevreu-rus a scris:
>
> > Cand ai sa vi cu probe concrete sau dovezi ca o tara normala poate
> > avea incredere in islamofascisti sau musulmani revino cu propunerea
> > ta .
>
> Cand ai sa vii cu dovezi concrete conform carora statele musulmane se
> pot simti in siguranta avand alaturi un Israel nuclear, atunci iti
> poti permite sa emiti pretentii. Pana atunci, cioculetul mic!
>

paraipan
2009-05-15 08:01:44

Vrajeala tovarashasca!

Lansata sa mai dispeze durerile Crizei care .. abia incepu. Instalatziile nucleare Iraniene sunt underground. Sa le distrugi ai nevoie de bombele alea de penetratzie experimentate de US in Afganistan .. de darimau muntzii sa-l prinda cica pe .. Osama.
Bombardamente in valuri succesive folosind "minunatziile" alea ar putea sa faca jobu. Da IL n'are bombele si nici logistica (comunicatzii satelitare, multiple alimentari in aer, "orbirea" Iranienilor). Toate astea numai US poa' sa le faca. Daca scratch Steaua de pe F-uri, dai de Eagle.
Pai nu zicea un clasic in viatza si'n fruntea Tzarii, cum ca vara nu'i ca iarna? Asa'i! Cum nici Osiraku' nu'i Teheranu.

Ghita Bizonu'
2009-05-15 08:12:19

Re: si io precizez : gunfire ala la sahinsah insemna utilizarea artileriei si a srapnelelor

a mai avut necazuri si au murit cca 10.000 persani de fiecare data..
SI cand fu rezbelu dintre Irac (baas docialist, daca nu ateu macar laic) si Iranu lu Khmomeyni ei ei ... Isaraelul vindea arme si munitie .. ei sa lu aytoloahu !!


La 2009-05-15 00:37:48, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> US president’s disastrous Middle Eastern policy will not stop
> Iran
>
> Mordechai Kedar Published: 05.14.09, 12:39 / Israel Opinion
>
> Thirty years ago, at the end of 1978 and beginning of 1979, US
> President Jimmy Carter’s blind approach and his obsessive
> concern for human rights everywhere, and particularly in the
> Shah-ruled Iran, prompted Khomeini’s rise and brought
> Khomeinism to power. Carter did not permit the Shah to handle the
> protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire. The
> result was the ayatollah takeover of Iran and the murder of thousands
> of Shah supporters. Everything the world suffered, is suffering, and
> will suffer because of Iran is the direct result of the
> short-sightedness of an American president who understood nothing in
> the ways of the Middle East.
>
>
> The enduring problem of American politicians is that they view the
> world via their own cultural lenses and think that "if only we
> engage in dialogue with the others" they will be "like
> us," "just like everyone else," and "will
> become nice"; if only we give them jobs and comply with their
> "just" demands (the right of return, our capital which
> never had Palestinian significance, unwillingness to recognize our
> state, etc.) they will go to work in the morning and return in the
> evening to play with their children and fish.
>
> Obama is currently making the same mistakes Carter did. He naively
> thinks that through dialogue with the ayatollahs he will achieve what
> the Europeans have failed to achieve for many years. He refuses to
> read what many researchers, politicians, and statesmen worldwide
> write, and refuses to listen to all those concerned by Iran –
> Arabs, Israelis, and Europeans – who have no doubt that the
> ayatollahs intend to first take over the Middle East, and later
> possibly take over the entire world, should they be given the chance.
>
>
> Only a blind person would not see the manner in which Iran, even
> before it has turned nuclear, quickly changes the face of the Middle
> East. Iran’s long arms are already tightly grasping Lebanon,
> Iraq, and Gaza, and are also decisively and powerfully directed at
> other states such as Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Oman, Bahrain, and Saudi
> Arabia.
>
> Only a deaf person would not hear the cries of distress emerging from
> the Arab world (irrespective of Israel and its concerns,) as its
> leaders see the Persians, their historically hated rivals, rattling
> their sabres en route to paying back the Bedouins of the desert,
> uncultured barbarians in their view, for ruining, in the seventh
> century, the Persian nation, which was educated, progressive and
> modern at the time.
>
> Only a blind person would fail to see the preparations undertaken by
> Iran’s Shiite leaders en route to taking their revenge on the
> Sunnis for 1,350 years of oppression, persecution, and assassinations
> undertaken by the Sunnis against the Shiite opposition any time and
> any place they could do it.
>
> Obama thinks that if only Israel will be reduced to the size
> appropriate for it, that is, the 1949 borders (the "Auschwitz
> borders" in the words of Abba Eban, a peace-loving dove,) the
> Arab and Muslim world will sit around the bonfire with the Americas
> and sing. Some members of his team believe that Israel is the source
> of the problems in the Arab and Islamic world, and that if only peace
> will prevail between Israel and the Palestinians, the problems of
> Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Lebanon, the Shiites, the Sunnis, al-Qaeda,
> and the Islamic Brotherhood will be resolved at once.
>
> I hereby offer Obama and his people very important information: Even
> if Israel decides to evaporate, disappear, and wipe itself off the
> map, all the other problems will continue to kill, just as was the
> case when Israel existed.
>
> Only an American president who decided to engineer the Arab and
> Islamic world in line with American standards can fall and make
> others fall into the trap of historical mistakes that Carter and Bush
> fell into, each in their own time and style. As a result of their
> errors, thousands of people in the region were massacred, killed, and
> wounded.
>
> The American president conducts himself vis-à-vis the Arab and
> Islamic world like a rookie trying to command an armored division.
> Obama is rushing forwarded on an imaginary horse, and the people of
> the region can only hope that his terrible mistakes will not cost the
> lives of additional thousands.
>
> The gravest matter of all is that some Israelis played a significant
> role in shaping Obama’s mistakes, and the blood of their
> brethren, other Israelis, will be the price we shall pay for the
> actions of those who sold Obama their imaginations, along with
> several foolish ideas that undermined our security and our
> self-confidence.
>
>
>
> Dr. Mordechai Kedar is a lecturer at Bar-Ilan University’s
> department of Arabic
>

ledzep
2009-05-15 09:04:48

Re: Obama the rookie

"Carter did not permit the Shah to handle the
protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire."

ce mizerie de articol, ce i-as zice cateva de la obraz lui "mordechai". E vinovat Carter ca era preocupat de drepturile omului. E ca si cum ai spune

"... did not permit Ceausescu to handle the
protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire."

La 2009-05-15 00:37:48, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> US president’s disastrous Middle Eastern policy will not stop
> Iran
>
> Mordechai Kedar Published: 05.14.09, 12:39 / Israel Opinion
>
....

CHIORU
2009-05-15 11:12:06

nu obama o sa fie surprins ci aia cu fuste lungi

vine bomba nucleara vine vine ...

contraevreu-rus
2009-05-15 12:02:10

Re: Vrajeala tovarashasca!

Vad ca ai terminat academia militara Frunze in iubita Rusie si sti ce are sau nu are Israelul,schimba nikul in Martzipan se potriveste mai bine.


La 2009-05-15 08:01:44, paraipan a scris:

>
> Lansata sa mai dispeze durerile Crizei care .. abia incepu.
> Instalatziile nucleare Iraniene sunt underground. Sa le distrugi ai
> nevoie de bombele alea de penetratzie experimentate de US in
> Afganistan .. de darimau muntzii sa-l prinda cica pe .. Osama.
> Bombardamente in valuri succesive folosind "minunatziile" alea ar
> putea sa faca jobu. Da IL n'are bombele si nici logistica
> (comunicatzii satelitare, multiple alimentari in aer, "orbirea"
> Iranienilor). Toate astea numai US poa' sa le faca. Daca scratch
> Steaua de pe F-uri, dai de Eagle.
> Pai nu zicea un clasic in viatza si'n fruntea Tzarii, cum ca vara nu'i
> ca iarna? Asa'i! Cum nici Osiraku' nu'i Teheranu.
>
>

evreu mandru din israel
2009-05-15 12:16:19

Re: Obama the rookie

Exemplul tau nu e corect, cu si fara Ceausescu , Romania n-ar fi pus niciodata in pericol tarile vecine sau pacea in Europa, dar era de asteptat ca fundamentalistii din Iran care vor prelua puterea din mainile Shah-ului , vor fi o mare durere de cap pt Orientul Mijlociu, era destul sa citesti filozofiile si ideologia scrisa de Humeini.
In-afara de asta , sunt drepturile omului in Iran respectate mai mult acum? Clar ca nu!

La 2009-05-15 09:04:48, ledzep a scris:

> "Carter did not permit the Shah to handle the
> protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire."
>
> ce mizerie de articol, ce i-as zice cateva de la obraz lui
> "mordechai". E vinovat Carter ca era preocupat de drepturile omului.
> E ca si cum ai spune
>
> "... did not permit Ceausescu to handle the
> protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire."
>
> La 2009-05-15 00:37:48, evreu mandru din israel a scris:
>
> > US president’s disastrous Middle Eastern policy will not stop
> > Iran
> >
> > Mordechai Kedar Published: 05.14.09, 12:39 / Israel Opinion
> >
> ....
>

ledzep
2009-05-15 13:03:11

Re: Obama the rookie

este corect in sensul ca atat sahul, cat si Ceausescu, au ajuns atat de nepopulari incat probabil 90% din popor ii voia jos. Ce sugereaza autorul, ca ar fi trebuit impuscati in masa, doar ca sa se mentina un regim convenabil, marioneta? Ma supara o asemenea judecata.

Ref. iran, au alt sistem, bazat pe legea islamica, nu vreau sa comentez ca m-as lungi prea mult dar acel "clar ca nu!" cu care inchei nu-i clar deloc. Iti dai seama cate tone de propaganda curg in directia ca iranienii ar fi nebuni sau iresponsabili. Nu cred asta.


La 2009-05-15 12:16:19, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> Exemplul tau nu e corect, cu si fara Ceausescu , Romania n-ar fi pus
> niciodata in pericol tarile vecine sau pacea in Europa, dar era de
> asteptat ca fundamentalistii din Iran care vor prelua puterea din
> mainile Shah-ului , vor fi o mare durere de cap pt Orientul Mijlociu,
> era destul sa citesti filozofiile si ideologia scrisa de Humeini.
> In-afara de asta , sunt drepturile omului in Iran respectate mai mult
> acum? Clar ca nu!
>
> La 2009-05-15 09:04:48, ledzep a scris:
>
> > "Carter did not permit the Shah to handle the
> > protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire."
> >
> > ce mizerie de articol, ce i-as zice cateva de la obraz lui
> > "mordechai". E vinovat Carter ca era preocupat de drepturile omului.
> > E ca si cum ai spune
> >
> > "... did not permit Ceausescu to handle the
> > protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire."
> >
> > La 2009-05-15 00:37:48, evreu mandru din israel a scris:
> >
> > > US president’s disastrous Middle Eastern policy will not stop
> > > Iran
> > >
> > > Mordechai Kedar Published: 05.14.09, 12:39 / Israel Opinion
> > >
> > ....
> >
>
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Seherezada
2009-05-15 14:17:19

Iata un om care articuleaza CLAR lucrurile ...

profesor Dr. Mordechai Kedar of Bar-Ilan University care ...

enuntza cu elocventza urmatorele 2 puncte:

(1) Jerusalem is OUT of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiation discussions.

It was the Jewish capital for over 3000 years, it is now and it wil stay Jewish forever !!
Intr`o discutie pe Al-Jazeera, ... reporterul arab incearca sa biiguie ceva despre cit de sfint este Jerusalemul pentru Koran , ...
insa simpaticul Mordechai i-o taie scurt ca ... in Koran nu exista absolut nici o mentiune despre Jerusalem !!!

(2) profesorul mai precizeaza ca ... West Bank nu a fost NICIODATA un stat independent, ... asa ca ... nu poate fi numit ``teritoriu ocupat`` ...
Pina in 1967 a fost sub administratie jordaniana, ... iar din 1967 este sub administratia Israelului ...
Negocierile dintre Israel si palestinieni ... trebuie sa porneasca DE LA acest punct ..., incetisor si cu rabdare ...

insa punctul (1) is out of discussion !!!

Mordechai se exprima critic si fatza de admin. Bush, ... si fatza de admin. Obama si ... mai ales fatza de lipsa de elocventza in aceasta privintza a conducatorilor statului Israel .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpMhAzj-Tk
(extrem de interesant !!)

Ghita Bizonu'
2009-05-15 14:47:48

Re: Da? Si acum 1500 de an i? SI 100 de nai ? 50 de ani tot capitala Isarelului?

La 2009-05-15 14:17:19, Seherezada a scris:

> profesor Dr. Mordechai Kedar of Bar-Ilan University care ...
>
> enuntza cu elocventza urmatorele 2 puncte:
>
> (1) Jerusalem is OUT of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiation
> discussions.
>
> It was the Jewish capital for over 3000 years, it is now and it wil
> stay Jewish forever !!
> Intr`o discutie pe Al-Jazeera, ... reporterul arab incearca sa
> biiguie ceva despre cit de sfint este Jerusalemul pentru Koran , ...
>
> insa simpaticul Mordechai i-o taie scurt ca ... in Koran nu exista
> absolut nici o mentiune despre Jerusalem !!!
>
> (2) profesorul mai precizeaza ca ... West Bank nu a fost NICIODATA un
> stat independent, ... asa ca ... nu poate fi numit ``teritoriu
> ocupat`` ...
> Pina in 1967 a fost sub administratie jordaniana, ... iar din 1967
> este sub administratia Israelului ...
> Negocierile dintre Israel si palestinieni ... trebuie sa porneasca DE
> LA acest punct ..., incetisor si cu rabdare ...
>
> insa punctul (1) is out of discussion !!!
>
> Mordechai se exprima critic si fatza de admin. Bush, ... si fatza de
> admin. Obama si ... mai ales fatza de lipsa de elocventza in aceasta
> privintza a conducatorilor statului Israel .
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpMhAzj-Tk
> (extrem de interesant !!)
>

Seherezada
2009-05-15 14:53:25

Proverbul zice: apa trece ... pietrele ramin !!!!

ti-a placut video`ul ?? ai ceva de zis despre Mordechai ??


La 2009-05-15 14:47:48, Ghita Bizonu' a scris:

b.d.
2009-05-15 15:48:05

Re: Da? Si acum 1500 de an i? SI 100 de nai ? 50 de ani tot capitala Isarelului?

Un lucru e sigur : Ierusalimul n-a fost niciodata capitala unui stat de
etnie araba.
Iordanezii, intre 1948 si 1967, (si in continuare), au declarat capitala
la Amman, nu in Ierusalimul de est...
Un musulman, cand se roaga, se intoarce cu fatza la Mecca. Iar daca
se afla intr-un loc intre Mecca si Ierusalim, n-are nici o problema sa se
intoarca cu spatele la Ierusalim...Asta o fac si acei care se denumesc
''palestinieni'' si, care, una din conditiile la care nu vor sa renunte este...
Ierusalimul...
Care rugaciune musulmana se termina cu urarea ''La anul la Ierusalim'',
asa cum obisnuiau evreii, in cei 2000 de ani in Diaspora ?

Ierusalim le-a devenit lor ''sfant'', doar dupa 1967...


La 2009-05-15 14:47:48, Ghita Bizonu' a scris:

> La 2009-05-15 14:17:19, Seherezada a scris:
>
> > profesor Dr. Mordechai Kedar of Bar-Ilan University care ...
> >
> > enuntza cu elocventza urmatorele 2 puncte:
> >
> > (1) Jerusalem is OUT of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiation
> > discussions.
> >
> > It was the Jewish capital for over 3000 years, it is now and it wil
> > stay Jewish forever !!
> > Intr`o discutie pe Al-Jazeera, ... reporterul arab incearca sa
> > biiguie ceva despre cit de sfint este Jerusalemul pentru Koran , ...
> >
> > insa simpaticul Mordechai i-o taie scurt ca ... in Koran nu exista
> > absolut nici o mentiune despre Jerusalem !!!
> >
> > (2) profesorul mai precizeaza ca ... West Bank nu a fost NICIODATA un
> > stat independent, ... asa ca ... nu poate fi numit ``teritoriu
> > ocupat`` ...
> > Pina in 1967 a fost sub administratie jordaniana, ... iar din 1967
> > este sub administratia Israelului ...
> > Negocierile dintre Israel si palestinieni ... trebuie sa porneasca DE
> > LA acest punct ..., incetisor si cu rabdare ...
> >
> > insa punctul (1) is out of discussion !!!
> >
> > Mordechai se exprima critic si fatza de admin. Bush, ... si fatza de
> > admin. Obama si ... mai ales fatza de lipsa de elocventza in aceasta
> > privintza a conducatorilor statului Israel .
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpMhAzj-Tk
> > (extrem de interesant !!)
> >
>
>

Ratacitul
2009-05-15 15:51:55

Frunze, nefrunze...are dreptate

Daca americanii nu vor, Israelul nu va ataca Iranul. Chiar si numai motivele de mai sus sunt indeajuns pentru a vedea riscurile unei asemenea actiuni militare. Ca sa nu vorbesc despre consecintele politice.


La 2009-05-15 12:02:10, contraevreu-rus a scris:

> Vad ca ai terminat academia militara Frunze in iubita Rusie si sti ce
> are sau nu are Israelul,schimba nikul in Martzipan se potriveste mai
> bine.
>
>
> La 2009-05-15 08:01:44, paraipan a scris:
>
> >
> > Lansata sa mai dispeze durerile Crizei care .. abia incepu.
> > Instalatziile nucleare Iraniene sunt underground. Sa le distrugi ai
> > nevoie de bombele alea de penetratzie experimentate de US in
> > Afganistan .. de darimau muntzii sa-l prinda cica pe .. Osama.
> > Bombardamente in valuri succesive folosind "minunatziile" alea ar
> > putea sa faca jobu. Da IL n'are bombele si nici logistica
> > (comunicatzii satelitare, multiple alimentari in aer, "orbirea"
> > Iranienilor). Toate astea numai US poa' sa le faca. Daca scratch
> > Steaua de pe F-uri, dai de Eagle.
> > Pai nu zicea un clasic in viatza si'n fruntea Tzarii, cum ca vara nu'i
> > ca iarna? Asa'i! Cum nici Osiraku' nu'i Teheranu.
> >
> >
>
>

sorge
2009-05-15 16:12:41

New-York ul are mai multi evrei ca tot Israelul !

Si Obama nu a aflat inca .

Giuseppe Cocos
2009-05-15 16:58:33

Bombardati-i, Bombardati-i,

sa vedem ce iese!

cotrofelnitza
2009-05-15 17:31:55

Re: Iata un om care articuleaza CLAR lucrurile ...

La 2009-05-15 14:17:19, Seherezada a scris:

... Mie mi-a placut extrem. de mult. domnu'. MorDoiCai.
Simpatizez cu el ca asa era si Andreea mea cind era mica,
tot ce-i placea lua zicind ca-i "al meu", noroc ca i-a trecut la 5 ani,
taman cind incepusem sa ma gindesc c-o fi facut-o masa cu un
evreu [sau ma rog, jidan, cum in prostia noastra ziceam noi p-atunci].
Pa da alta parte, omu' tau fie c-are IQ sub cinci ani, fie ca e scolit
arogant imputit gen Rash Limbo", fie - mai degraba - amindoua.
Pentru performanta, transmite-i felicitari da la Cotro.


> profesor Dr. Mordechai Kedar of Bar-Ilan University care ...
>
> enuntza cu elocventza urmatorele 2 puncte:
>
> (1) Jerusalem is OUT of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiation
> discussions.
>
> It was the Jewish capital for over 3000 years, it is now and it wil
> stay Jewish forever !!
> Intr`o discutie pe Al-Jazeera, ... reporterul arab incearca sa
> biiguie ceva despre cit de sfint este Jerusalemul pentru Koran , ...
>
> insa simpaticul Mordechai i-o taie scurt ca ... in Koran nu exista
> absolut nici o mentiune despre Jerusalem !!!
>
> (2) profesorul mai precizeaza ca ... West Bank nu a fost NICIODATA un
> stat independent, ... asa ca ... nu poate fi numit ``teritoriu
> ocupat`` ...
> Pina in 1967 a fost sub administratie jordaniana, ... iar din 1967
> este sub administratia Israelului ...
> Negocierile dintre Israel si palestinieni ... trebuie sa porneasca DE
> LA acest punct ..., incetisor si cu rabdare ...
>
> insa punctul (1) is out of discussion !!!
>
> Mordechai se exprima critic si fatza de admin. Bush, ... si fatza de
> admin. Obama si ... mai ales fatza de lipsa de elocventza in aceasta
> privintza a conducatorilor statului Israel .
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpMhAzj-Tk
> (extrem de interesant !!)
>

Atamild
2009-05-15 17:34:48

Eu doresc oamenilor sa vada ca maruntul este atat de important. Angajamentul..

Am fost azi in Frankfurt la Achema. Am constatat ca cele mai cumprate lucruri ptr reclama, exponate, sunt sacosele din panza vizate si darnice, lucruri practice. Si iar totul rimeaza si se analizeaza. Va pup.
Matilda

cotrofelnitza
2009-05-15 17:48:57

Re: Bombardati-i, Bombardati-i,

La 2009-05-15 16:58:33, Giuseppe Cocos a scris:

... Iese cu paruiiiala !
Cind striga asa Maria florareasa, noi copii ne-mbulzeam ciorchine
la fereastra mare da la 7 pacate care ducea privirea spre bar,
mama-mama ce cafteli clastoace, ce pumni si capete-n gura,
ce bocanci la freza, ce scaune-n cap, era misto de statea mita-n coada,
pacat ca pina la urma se potoleau, se cinsteau reciporc,
si restabileau regulile bataii urmatoare : nu sticle sparte, nu cutite,
nu atac pe la spate ...
Pacat ca paruielii din OM ii cam vor lipsi regulile ...


> sa vedem ce iese!
>

contraevreu-rus
2009-05-15 17:51:13

Re: Eu doresc oamenilor sa vada ca maruntul este atat de important. Angajamentul..

Spunemi te rog ,tot pe Mosel strasse in Frankfurt/Main lucrezi?



La 2009-05-15 17:34:48, Atamild a scris:

> Am fost azi in Frankfurt la Achema. Am constatat ca cele mai cumprate
> lucruri ptr reclama, exponate, sunt sacosele din panza vizate si
> darnice, lucruri practice. Si iar totul rimeaza si se analizeaza. Va
> pup.
> Matilda
>

Atamild
2009-05-15 18:24:14

Re: Eu doresc oamenilor sa vada ca maruntul este atat de important. Angajamentul..

La 2009-05-15 17:51:13, contraevreu-rus a scris:

> Spunemi te rog ,tot pe Mosel strasse in Frankfurt/Main lucrezi?
>
>
>
> La 2009-05-15 17:34:48, Atamild a scris:
>
> > Am fost azi in Frankfurt la Achema. Am constatat ca cele mai cumprate
> > lucruri ptr reclama, exponate, sunt sacosele din panza vizate si
> > darnice, lucruri practice. Si iar totul rimeaza si se analizeaza. Va
> > pup.
> > Matilda
> >
>
>
Habar nu ai, ce spui, dar te iert. Cand m-am intors am ascultat piesa lui Kafka, Procesul, pe youtube. Eu stiu ce spun, si ceea ce spun, nu are nimic in comun cu felul tau de a ma vedea, altundeva,
Matilda

evreu mandru din israel
2009-05-15 18:51:51

Re: Bombardati-i, Bombardati-i,

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085619.html

> La 2009-05-15 16:58:33, Giuseppe Cocos a scris:

> > sa vedem ce iese!
> >
>
>

Seherezada
2009-05-15 19:10:36

Re: Iata un om care articuleaza CLAR lucrurile ...

La 2009-05-15 17:31:55, cotrofelnitza a scris:

> ... Mie mi-a placut extrem. de mult. domnu'. MorDoiCai.
> Simpatizez cu el ca asa era si Andreea mea cind era mica,
> tot ce-i placea lua zicind ca-i "al meu", noroc ca i-a trecut la 5
> ani,
> taman cind incepusem sa ma gindesc c-o fi facut-o masa cu un
> evreu [sau ma rog, jidan, cum in prostia noastra ziceam noi
> p-atunci].
> Pa da alta parte, omu' tau fie c-are IQ sub cinci ani, fie ca e
> scolit
> arogant imputit gen Rash Limbo", fie - mai degraba - amindoua.
> Pentru performanta, transmite-i felicitari da la Cotro.
==========
nu are nimic comun cu LimBou ...

mai curind ai TU ai o fixatie fatala cu ``5(cinci) ani`` ...

uite inca un video, ... pe care il vei gusta !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfhBtylBaE0&feature=related

Evreu-rus
2009-05-15 19:24:27

Re: Da? Si acum 1500 de an i? SI 100 de nai ? 50 de ani tot capitala Isarelului?

CALUGARU
2009-05-15 19:30:01

evreul mahomedan ruznac

La 2009-05-15 17:31:55, Evreu-rus a scris:



pe Muntele Templului, de unde a fost ridicat in slavile cerului si i-a putut vedea la fata pe profetii dinaintea lui. In Ierusalim sunt 2 edificii ridicate in cinstea calatoriei magice a Profetului,


__________



Si cu ce dracu a calatorit jigodia aia de mohamed al tau ?, pe matura ? Fiti-ar mahomedu-al dracului sa-ti fie cu tine in brate cu tot. baaa, voi stati cu curu-n sus la rugaciune nu pentru alah ci ?, poate va pica ceva long & strong din cer sa va scape de viermisori !!

Evreu-rus
2009-05-15 19:38:38

Re: evreul mahomedan ruznac

La 2009-05-15 19:30:01, CALUGARU a scris:

> Si cu ce dracu a calatorit jigodia aia de mohamed al tau ?, pe matura
> ? Fiti-ar mahomedu-al dracului sa-ti fie cu tine in brate cu tot.
> baaa, voi stati cu curu-n sus la rugaciune nu pentru alah ci ?, poate
> va pica ceva long & strong din cer sa va scape de viermisori !!

Moise cum a putut trimite plagile peste Egipt cu ajutorul unui toiag? Cum a putut despica Marea Rosie, pana ce israelitii au ajuns toti cu bine pe celalalt mal?
Cum a putut Isus sa se inalte la cer dupa 40 de zile de la inviere?
Fiecare religie cu miturile sale.

carol zwilling1
2009-05-15 19:40:43

Re: evreul mahomedan ruznac

La 2009-05-15 19:30:01, CALUGARU a scris:

> La 2009-05-15 17:31:55, Evreu-rus a scris:
>
>
>
> pe Muntele Templului, de unde a fost ridicat in slavile cerului si
> i-a putut vedea la fata pe profetii dinaintea lui. In Ierusalim sunt
> 2 edificii ridicate in cinstea calatoriei magice a Profetului,
>
>
> __________
>
>
>
> Si cu ce dracu a calatorit jigodia aia de mohamed al tau ?, pe matura
> ? Fiti-ar mahomedu-al dracului sa-ti fie cu tine in brate cu tot.
> baaa, voi stati cu curu-n sus la rugaciune nu pentru alah ci ?, poate
> va pica ceva long & strong din cer sa va scape de viermisori !!
>
>
>

Un raspuns relevant si convingator...........Super!

Giuseppe Cocos
2009-05-15 19:44:36

Re: Bombardati-i, Bombardati-i,

FOARTE BUN ARTICOL ! SPER CA RATIUNEA SA INVINGA!



La 2009-05-15 18:51:51, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085619.html
>
> > La 2009-05-15 16:58:33, Giuseppe Cocos a scris:
>
> > > sa vedem ce iese!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

carol zwilling1
2009-05-15 19:47:19

Scorcitului jidan rus

n toate locurile pe unde s-a pelerinat in Israel Papa,nu a pomenit niciodata necesitatea impartirii Jerusalimului ca a doua capitala a visatului Stat Palestinian...doar rezolvarea conflictului si recunoasterea internationala pentru 2 State in limitele acceptabile..........

Evreu-rus
2009-05-15 19:59:02

Re: Scorcitului jidan rus

La 2009-05-15 19:47:19, carol zwilling1 a scris:

> n toate locurile pe unde s-a pelerinat in Israel Papa,nu a pomenit
> niciodata necesitatea impartirii Jerusalimului ca a doua capitala a
> visatului Stat Palestinian...doar rezolvarea conflictului si
> recunoasterea internationala pentru 2 State in limitele
> acceptabile..........

Papa a spus ceea ce i-ati permis voi sa spuna. Nu poti vorbi de rau dracul in casa sa.

b.d.
2009-05-15 20:12:59

Re: Scorcitului jidan rus

La 2009-05-15 19:59:02, Evreu-rus a scris:

> La 2009-05-15 19:47:19, carol zwilling1 a scris:
>
> > n toate locurile pe unde s-a pelerinat in Israel Papa,nu a pomenit
> > niciodata necesitatea impartirii Jerusalimului ca a doua capitala a
> > visatului Stat Palestinian...doar rezolvarea conflictului si
> > recunoasterea internationala pentru 2 State in limitele
> > acceptabile..........
>
> Papa a spus ceea ce i-ati permis voi sa spuna. Nu poti vorbi de rau
> dracul in casa sa.
>
>.................................

Insinuezi ca Papa de la Roma ne-a transmis spre aprobare discursurile
care le-a tinut ?

Cine sa te creada ?

Caraghiosule !

Seherezada
2009-05-15 20:14:03

chiar si musulmanii confirma ca Jerusalem ... nu este pomenit in Coran, drept loc sacru pt.ei !!

La 2009-05-15 19:24:27, Evreu-rus a scris:

> Ierusalimul este, dupa Mecca si Medina, al treilea spatiu sacru din
> Islam. A fost o vreme in care si musulmanii se rugau spre Ierusalim,
> iunainte de a-si orienta definitiv rugile spre Mecca.

> Ierusalimul de Est va fi capitala viitorului stat palestinian, fie ca
> va place sau nu.
================
al 3-lea ... nu este PRIMUL ... asa ca ... stai jos !

Nu va place cum le zice Mordechai ... ??

atunci ascultati ce zice un profesor musulman ...
despre ce spune Coran ... despre Israel si Jerusalem ...

Un interview cu Prof. Shaykh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, Head of Moslem Community of Italy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMAzKhpUzCE

Ghita Bizonu'
2009-05-15 20:16:42

Re: Da? Si acum 1500 de an i? SI 100 de nai ? 50 de ani tot capitala Isarelului?

De etnie araba .. da.. e ceva pe aici.
Tu esti sigur ca esti de etnie evreiasca incat sa treci urmas direct a lu Mioise ?!
Oricum nu a fost nice capitala unor vorbitori de idis .... si uiti ca sunt si evrei care vorbesc o limba derivata din araba (aia proveniti din peninsula raba, Irac, Magreb).
Si ca pe vremea lu Iord cel mare (halbjudau i se reprosa ) se vrobea nitelus aramaica .... fata de vremea lu David cand se vorbea ebraica ....
Si bagi un fitl nasol. Nasol ptr ai tai care traiesc in multe orase neevreiesti si nice macar semitice precum orasele iordaniene ori , de ce nu palestinene .
Iar cestia cu rugaciunile mai incet. Nu baga religia ca io nu garantez ca nu se mai ridica inca unu gen Baudoiun carele sa zica ca Orsul Sfamtului Mormant trebe sa apartina numa crestinilor .......