Externe

...s-a dovedit superior aliatilor sai anglo-americani”. (Keyserling, 1944)

*************************************************************************************
Sa vedem putin opiniile lui Churchill (reproduse de medicul sau personal, lordul Moran) despre cel pe care in corespondentza cu Roosevelt il numea nu fara simpatie “Uncle Joe”:

***Octombrie 1944: “All might yet go well if he could win Stalin’s friendship. Winston told me that he had found he could talk to Stalin as one human being to another. Stalin, he was sure, would be sensible. He went on to speak of this proffer of friendship to Stalin as if it were an ingenious idea that had just occurred to him, and while he spoke his eyes popped and his words tumbled over each other in his excitement. He could think of nothing else. It had ceased to be a means to an end; it had become an end in itself.” (Churchill. Taken from the diaries of Lord Morton., Boston, 1966, p. 204.)

***Februarie 1944 (In timpul conferintei de la Yalta): “The PM spoke once more of the disaster it would be if anything happened to Stalin. His humour, understanding and moderation, on many occasions, had made a deep impression on him.” (Ibid., p. 250)

***Si cea mai delicioasa dintre toate, din septembrie 1945: “In Winston’s imagination Stalin is already one of the great figures of history. The cast of Roosevelt’s mind struck no sparks in Winston’s mind. The war was all they had in common. Whereas Stalin was a type Winston had not met before; he interested him, notwithstanding his deliberate rudeness and his rough speech. ‘IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I’D LIKE THAT MAN TO LIKE ME.’ They are Winston’s own words, adressed to us in August, 1942, and they explain much that is otherwise obscure. Stalin’s stories, his ways, his habits, kept leaking out in Winston’s talk.” (Ibid., p. 322.)

IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I'D LIKE THAT MAN TO LIKE ME.

Ce mai pot sa spun? Ti-ai gasit locul potrivit alaturi de evreu-rus pe aceeasi craca cu admiratorii georgianului...

Oricum dupa ce ai scos din tine, nu m-as mira sa vad zilele urmatoare niste citate inedite din memoriile verisoarei de a 7-a a infirmerei lui Nixon, despre maretia si geniu' strategic & epistolar al lu' Brejnev. Ce zici, iti face cu ochiul?

Amu' daca tot ai luat-o asa de bine la vale, nu mai ai nimic de peirdut...

La 2009-04-23 05:59:33, moroianu a scris:

> ...s-a dovedit superior aliatilor sai anglo-americani”.
> (Keyserling, 1944)
>
> *************************************************************************************
> Sa vedem putin opiniile lui Churchill (reproduse de medicul sau
> personal, lordul Moran) despre cel pe care in corespondentza cu
> Roosevelt il numea nu fara simpatie “Uncle Joe”:
>
> ***Octombrie 1944: “All might yet go well if he could win
> Stalin’s friendship. Winston told me that he had found he could
> talk to Stalin as one human being to another. Stalin, he was sure,
> would be sensible. He went on to speak of this proffer of friendship
> to Stalin as if it were an ingenious idea that had just occurred to
> him, and while he spoke his eyes popped and his words tumbled over
> each other in his excitement. He could think of nothing else. It had
> ceased to be a means to an end; it had become an end in
> itself.” (Churchill. Taken from the diaries of Lord Morton.,
> Boston, 1966, p. 204.)
>
> ***Februarie 1944 (In timpul conferintei de la Yalta): “The PM
> spoke once more of the disaster it would be if anything happened to
> Stalin. His humour, understanding and moderation, on many occasions,
> had made a deep impression on him.” (Ibid., p. 250)
>
> ***Si cea mai delicioasa dintre toate, din septembrie 1945: “In
> Winston’s imagination Stalin is already one of the great
> figures of history. The cast of Roosevelt’s mind struck no
> sparks in Winston’s mind. The war was all they had in common.
> Whereas Stalin was a type Winston had not met before; he interested
> him, notwithstanding his deliberate rudeness and his rough speech.
> ‘IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I’D LIKE THAT MAN TO LIKE
> ME.’ They are Winston’s own words, adressed to us in
> August, 1942, and they explain much that is otherwise obscure.
> Stalin’s stories, his ways, his habits, kept leaking out in
> Winston’s talk.” (Ibid., p. 322.)
>
>
>
>

Oricum nu te-ai prins ca citarea declaratiilor de admiratie (absolut autentice si binecunoscute) ale lui Churchill la adresa sangerosului calau de la Kremlin nu erau menite sa se alature imnurilor de slava ale Bufonului Rus, ci sa dovedeasca inteligentza si flerul marelui om politic englez, artizan al celor 4 decenii de inrobire a Europei de Est vandute in intalnirile de la Moscova si Yalta.

La 2009-04-23 13:50:12, Mache a scris:

> Ce mai pot sa spun? Ti-ai gasit locul potrivit alaturi de evreu-rus pe
> aceeasi craca cu admiratorii georgianului...
>
> Oricum dupa ce ai scos din tine, nu m-as mira sa vad zilele urmatoare
> niste citate inedite din memoriile verisoarei de a 7-a a infirmerei
> lui Nixon, despre maretia si geniu' strategic & epistolar al lu'
> Brejnev. Ce zici, iti face cu ochiul?
>
> Amu' daca tot ai luat-o asa de bine la vale, nu mai ai nimic de
> peirdut...
>
> La 2009-04-23 05:59:33, moroianu a scris:
>
> > ...s-a dovedit superior aliatilor sai anglo-americani”.
> > (Keyserling, 1944)
> >
> > *************************************************************************************
> > Sa vedem putin opiniile lui Churchill (reproduse de medicul sau
> > personal, lordul Moran) despre cel pe care in corespondentza cu
> > Roosevelt il numea nu fara simpatie “Uncle Joe”:
> >
> > ***Octombrie 1944: “All might yet go well if he could win
> > Stalin’s friendship. Winston told me that he had found he could
> > talk to Stalin as one human being to another. Stalin, he was sure,
> > would be sensible. He went on to speak of this proffer of friendship
> > to Stalin as if it were an ingenious idea that had just occurred to
> > him, and while he spoke his eyes popped and his words tumbled over
> > each other in his excitement. He could think of nothing else. It had
> > ceased to be a means to an end; it had become an end in
> > itself.” (Churchill. Taken from the diaries of Lord Morton.,
> > Boston, 1966, p. 204.)
> >
> > ***Februarie 1944 (In timpul conferintei de la Yalta): “The PM
> > spoke once more of the disaster it would be if anything happened to
> > Stalin. His humour, understanding and moderation, on many occasions,
> > had made a deep impression on him.” (Ibid., p. 250)
> >
> > ***Si cea mai delicioasa dintre toate, din septembrie 1945: “In
> > Winston’s imagination Stalin is already one of the great
> > figures of history. The cast of Roosevelt’s mind struck no
> > sparks in Winston’s mind. The war was all they had in common.
> > Whereas Stalin was a type Winston had not met before; he interested
> > him, notwithstanding his deliberate rudeness and his rough speech.
> > ‘IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I’D LIKE THAT MAN TO LIKE
> > ME.’ They are Winston’s own words, adressed to us in
> > August, 1942, and they explain much that is otherwise obscure.
> > Stalin’s stories, his ways, his habits, kept leaking out in
> > Winston’s talk.” (Ibid., p. 322.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

La 2009-04-23 14:13:19, moroianu a scris:

>
> Oricum nu te-ai prins ca citarea declaratiilor de admiratie
> (absolut autentice si binecunoscute) ale lui Churchill la adresa
> sangerosului calau de la Kremlin nu erau menite sa se alature
> imnurilor de slava ale Bufonului Rus,

Sa stii ca m-am prins foarte bine.

Sigur ca ti-e oarecum jena sa-ti exprimi in zilele noastre dragostea fierbinte pentru Uniunea Sovietica, asa incat smecher ca o vulpe crescuta de calugarite, te dedai la niste chestii "subtile" . Stii, necazul e ca mitocanii, pe care intelepciunea matale (dublata de iscusinta circareasca de a scuipa coji de seminte printre dintii lipsa) ii lasa muti de admiratie, nu se prind, iar aia care-ti vad adevarata infatisare nu prea musca la chestii din astea ieftine.

> ci sa dovedeasca inteligentza
> si flerul marelui om politic englez, artizan al celor 4 decenii de
> inrobire a Europei de Est vandute in intalnirile de la Moscova si
> Yalta.

Ca sa nu mai existe cumva dubii asupra intentiilor si apucaturilor tale, revii la una din temele preferate ale propagandei neo-staliniste: Nu Stalin si rusii sunt principalii vinovati de deceniile de inrobire sovietica, ci englezii si americanii care nu au sarit la jugulara rusilor sa-i apere pe cei ce nu au schitat aproape nici un gest de impotrivire rusilor...

Mon cher, in ipoteza ca nu intelegi cum stau lucrurile hai sa-ti vorbesc in pilde:

Deci dupa mintea ta, nu cel ce-ti trage azi la nesfarsit pumni in bot e de vina, ci cel pe care ai incercat ieri sa-l musti e vinovat ca nu-si pune pielea la bataie azi de dragul tau. Nu-i asa?

Sigur ca englezii si americanii au vina lor in faptul ca au incercat anihilarea URSS in perioada in care aveau monoplul atomic. Dar principala vina pentru suferintele si sacrificiile Europei de Est o are URSS - si cozile ei de topor de genul matale.

> La 2009-04-23 13:50:12, Mache a scris:
>
> > Ce mai pot sa spun? Ti-ai gasit locul potrivit alaturi de evreu-rus pe
> > aceeasi craca cu admiratorii georgianului...
> >
> > Oricum dupa ce ai scos din tine, nu m-as mira sa vad zilele urmatoare
> > niste citate inedite din memoriile verisoarei de a 7-a a infirmerei
> > lui Nixon, despre maretia si geniu' strategic & epistolar al lu'
> > Brejnev. Ce zici, iti face cu ochiul?
> >
> > Amu' daca tot ai luat-o asa de bine la vale, nu mai ai nimic de
> > peirdut...
> >
> > La 2009-04-23 05:59:33, moroianu a scris:
> >
> > > ...s-a dovedit superior aliatilor sai anglo-americani”.
> > > (Keyserling, 1944)
> > >
> > > *************************************************************************************
> > > Sa vedem putin opiniile lui Churchill (reproduse de medicul sau
> > > personal, lordul Moran) despre cel pe care in corespondentza cu
> > > Roosevelt il numea nu fara simpatie “Uncle Joe”:
> > >
> > > ***Octombrie 1944: “All might yet go well if he could win
> > > Stalin’s friendship. Winston told me that he had found he could
> > > talk to Stalin as one human being to another. Stalin, he was sure,
> > > would be sensible. He went on to speak of this proffer of friendship
> > > to Stalin as if it were an ingenious idea that had just occurred to
> > > him, and while he spoke his eyes popped and his words tumbled over
> > > each other in his excitement. He could think of nothing else. It had
> > > ceased to be a means to an end; it had become an end in
> > > itself.” (Churchill. Taken from the diaries of Lord Morton.,
> > > Boston, 1966, p. 204.)
> > >
> > > ***Februarie 1944 (In timpul conferintei de la Yalta): “The PM
> > > spoke once more of the disaster it would be if anything happened to
> > > Stalin. His humour, understanding and moderation, on many occasions,
> > > had made a deep impression on him.” (Ibid., p. 250)
> > >
> > > ***Si cea mai delicioasa dintre toate, din septembrie 1945: “In
> > > Winston’s imagination Stalin is already one of the great
> > > figures of history. The cast of Roosevelt’s mind struck no
> > > sparks in Winston’s mind. The war was all they had in common.
> > > Whereas Stalin was a type Winston had not met before; he interested
> > > him, notwithstanding his deliberate rudeness and his rough speech.
> > > ‘IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I’D LIKE THAT MAN TO LIKE
> > > ME.’ They are Winston’s own words, adressed to us in
> > > August, 1942, and they explain much that is otherwise obscure.
> > > Stalin’s stories, his ways, his habits, kept leaking out in
> > > Winston’s talk.” (Ibid., p. 322.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Propaganda este specialitatea ta.

La 2009-04-23 16:45:56, Mache a scris:

> La 2009-04-23 14:13:19, moroianu a scris:
>
> >
> > Oricum nu te-ai prins ca citarea declaratiilor de admiratie
> > (absolut autentice si binecunoscute) ale lui Churchill la adresa
> > sangerosului calau de la Kremlin nu erau menite sa se alature
> > imnurilor de slava ale Bufonului Rus,
>
> Sa stii ca m-am prins foarte bine.
>
> Sigur ca ti-e oarecum jena sa-ti exprimi in zilele noastre dragostea
> fierbinte pentru Uniunea Sovietica, asa incat smecher ca o vulpe
> crescuta de calugarite, te dedai la niste chestii "subtile" . Stii,
> necazul e ca mitocanii, pe care intelepciunea matale (dublata de
> iscusinta circareasca de a scuipa coji de seminte printre dintii
> lipsa) ii lasa muti de admiratie, nu se prind, iar aia care-ti vad
> adevarata infatisare nu prea musca la chestii din astea ieftine.
>
> > ci sa dovedeasca inteligentza
> > si flerul marelui om politic englez, artizan al celor 4 decenii de
> > inrobire a Europei de Est vandute in intalnirile de la Moscova si
> > Yalta.
>
> Ca sa nu mai existe cumva dubii asupra intentiilor si apucaturilor
> tale, revii la una din temele preferate ale propagandei
> neo-staliniste: Nu Stalin si rusii sunt principalii vinovati de
> deceniile de inrobire sovietica, ci englezii si americanii care nu au
> sarit la jugulara rusilor sa-i apere pe cei ce nu au schitat aproape
> nici un gest de impotrivire rusilor...
>
> Mon cher, in ipoteza ca nu intelegi cum stau lucrurile hai sa-ti
> vorbesc in pilde:
>
> Deci dupa mintea ta, nu cel ce-ti trage azi la nesfarsit pumni in bot
> e de vina, ci cel pe care ai incercat ieri sa-l musti e vinovat ca
> nu-si pune pielea la bataie azi de dragul tau. Nu-i asa?
>
> Sigur ca englezii si americanii au vina lor in faptul ca au incercat
> anihilarea URSS in perioada in care aveau monoplul atomic. Dar
> principala vina pentru suferintele si sacrificiile Europei de Est o
> are URSS - si cozile ei de topor de genul matale.
>
> > La 2009-04-23 13:50:12, Mache a scris:
> >
> > > Ce mai pot sa spun? Ti-ai gasit locul potrivit alaturi de evreu-rus pe
> > > aceeasi craca cu admiratorii georgianului...
> > >
> > > Oricum dupa ce ai scos din tine, nu m-as mira sa vad zilele urmatoare
> > > niste citate inedite din memoriile verisoarei de a 7-a a infirmerei
> > > lui Nixon, despre maretia si geniu' strategic & epistolar al lu'
> > > Brejnev. Ce zici, iti face cu ochiul?
> > >
> > > Amu' daca tot ai luat-o asa de bine la vale, nu mai ai nimic de
> > > peirdut...
> > >
> > > La 2009-04-23 05:59:33, moroianu a scris:
> > >
> > > > ...s-a dovedit superior aliatilor sai anglo-americani”.
> > > > (Keyserling, 1944)
> > > >
> > > > *************************************************************************************
> > > > Sa vedem putin opiniile lui Churchill (reproduse de medicul sau
> > > > personal, lordul Moran) despre cel pe care in corespondentza cu
> > > > Roosevelt il numea nu fara simpatie “Uncle Joe”:
> > > >
> > > > ***Octombrie 1944: “All might yet go well if he could win
> > > > Stalin’s friendship. Winston told me that he had found he could
> > > > talk to Stalin as one human being to another. Stalin, he was sure,
> > > > would be sensible. He went on to speak of this proffer of friendship
> > > > to Stalin as if it were an ingenious idea that had just occurred to
> > > > him, and while he spoke his eyes popped and his words tumbled over
> > > > each other in his excitement. He could think of nothing else. It had
> > > > ceased to be a means to an end; it had become an end in
> > > > itself.” (Churchill. Taken from the diaries of Lord Morton.,
> > > > Boston, 1966, p. 204.)
> > > >
> > > > ***Februarie 1944 (In timpul conferintei de la Yalta): “The PM
> > > > spoke once more of the disaster it would be if anything happened to
> > > > Stalin. His humour, understanding and moderation, on many occasions,
> > > > had made a deep impression on him.” (Ibid., p. 250)
> > > >
> > > > ***Si cea mai delicioasa dintre toate, din septembrie 1945: “In
> > > > Winston’s imagination Stalin is already one of the great
> > > > figures of history. The cast of Roosevelt’s mind struck no
> > > > sparks in Winston’s mind. The war was all they had in common.
> > > > Whereas Stalin was a type Winston had not met before; he interested
> > > > him, notwithstanding his deliberate rudeness and his rough speech.
> > > > ‘IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I’D LIKE THAT MAN TO LIKE
> > > > ME.’ They are Winston’s own words, adressed to us in
> > > > August, 1942, and they explain much that is otherwise obscure.
> > > > Stalin’s stories, his ways, his habits, kept leaking out in
> > > > Winston’s talk.” (Ibid., p. 322.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Hai sa te vedem daca esti capabil sa porti un dialog si sa-ti aperi dejectiile. Ca la invective si suflat mucii la tinta cu destele esti neintrecut...

La 2009-04-23 16:55:15, moroianu a scris:

>
> Propaganda este specialitatea ta.
>
> La 2009-04-23 16:45:56, Mache a scris:
>
> > La 2009-04-23 14:13:19, moroianu a scris:
> >
> > >
> > > Oricum nu te-ai prins ca citarea declaratiilor de admiratie
> > > (absolut autentice si binecunoscute) ale lui Churchill la adresa
> > > sangerosului calau de la Kremlin nu erau menite sa se alature
> > > imnurilor de slava ale Bufonului Rus,
> >
> > Sa stii ca m-am prins foarte bine.
> >
> > Sigur ca ti-e oarecum jena sa-ti exprimi in zilele noastre dragostea
> > fierbinte pentru Uniunea Sovietica, asa incat smecher ca o vulpe
> > crescuta de calugarite, te dedai la niste chestii "subtile" . Stii,
> > necazul e ca mitocanii, pe care intelepciunea matale (dublata de
> > iscusinta circareasca de a scuipa coji de seminte printre dintii
> > lipsa) ii lasa muti de admiratie, nu se prind, iar aia care-ti vad
> > adevarata infatisare nu prea musca la chestii din astea ieftine.
> >
> > > ci sa dovedeasca inteligentza
> > > si flerul marelui om politic englez, artizan al celor 4 decenii de
> > > inrobire a Europei de Est vandute in intalnirile de la Moscova si
> > > Yalta.
> >
> > Ca sa nu mai existe cumva dubii asupra intentiilor si apucaturilor
> > tale, revii la una din temele preferate ale propagandei
> > neo-staliniste: Nu Stalin si rusii sunt principalii vinovati de
> > deceniile de inrobire sovietica, ci englezii si americanii care nu au
> > sarit la jugulara rusilor sa-i apere pe cei ce nu au schitat aproape
> > nici un gest de impotrivire rusilor...
> >
> > Mon cher, in ipoteza ca nu intelegi cum stau lucrurile hai sa-ti
> > vorbesc in pilde:
> >
> > Deci dupa mintea ta, nu cel ce-ti trage azi la nesfarsit pumni in bot
> > e de vina, ci cel pe care ai incercat ieri sa-l musti e vinovat ca
> > nu-si pune pielea la bataie azi de dragul tau. Nu-i asa?
> >
> > Sigur ca englezii si americanii au vina lor in faptul ca au incercat
> > anihilarea URSS in perioada in care aveau monoplul atomic. Dar
> > principala vina pentru suferintele si sacrificiile Europei de Est o
> > are URSS - si cozile ei de topor de genul matale.
> >
> > > La 2009-04-23 13:50:12, Mache a scris:
> > >
> > > > Ce mai pot sa spun? Ti-ai gasit locul potrivit alaturi de evreu-rus pe
> > > > aceeasi craca cu admiratorii georgianului...
> > > >
> > > > Oricum dupa ce ai scos din tine, nu m-as mira sa vad zilele urmatoare
> > > > niste citate inedite din memoriile verisoarei de a 7-a a infirmerei
> > > > lui Nixon, despre maretia si geniu' strategic & epistolar al lu'
> > > > Brejnev. Ce zici, iti face cu ochiul?
> > > >
> > > > Amu' daca tot ai luat-o asa de bine la vale, nu mai ai nimic de
> > > > peirdut...
> > > >
> > > > La 2009-04-23 05:59:33, moroianu a scris:
> > > >
> > > > > ...s-a dovedit superior aliatilor sai anglo-americani”.
> > > > > (Keyserling, 1944)
> > > > >
> > > > > *************************************************************************************
> > > > > Sa vedem putin opiniile lui Churchill (reproduse de medicul sau
> > > > > personal, lordul Moran) despre cel pe care in corespondentza cu
> > > > > Roosevelt il numea nu fara simpatie “Uncle Joe”:
> > > > >
> > > > > ***Octombrie 1944: “All might yet go well if he could win
> > > > > Stalin’s friendship. Winston told me that he had found he could
> > > > > talk to Stalin as one human being to another. Stalin, he was sure,
> > > > > would be sensible. He went on to speak of this proffer of friendship
> > > > > to Stalin as if it were an ingenious idea that had just occurred to
> > > > > him, and while he spoke his eyes popped and his words tumbled over
> > > > > each other in his excitement. He could think of nothing else. It had
> > > > > ceased to be a means to an end; it had become an end in
> > > > > itself.” (Churchill. Taken from the diaries of Lord Morton.,
> > > > > Boston, 1966, p. 204.)
> > > > >
> > > > > ***Februarie 1944 (In timpul conferintei de la Yalta): “The PM
> > > > > spoke once more of the disaster it would be if anything happened to
> > > > > Stalin. His humour, understanding and moderation, on many occasions,
> > > > > had made a deep impression on him.” (Ibid., p. 250)
> > > > >
> > > > > ***Si cea mai delicioasa dintre toate, din septembrie 1945: “In
> > > > > Winston’s imagination Stalin is already one of the great
> > > > > figures of history. The cast of Roosevelt’s mind struck no
> > > > > sparks in Winston’s mind. The war was all they had in common.
> > > > > Whereas Stalin was a type Winston had not met before; he interested
> > > > > him, notwithstanding his deliberate rudeness and his rough speech.
> > > > > ‘IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I’D LIKE THAT MAN TO LIKE
> > > > > ME.’ They are Winston’s own words, adressed to us in
> > > > > August, 1942, and they explain much that is otherwise obscure.
> > > > > Stalin’s stories, his ways, his habits, kept leaking out in
> > > > > Winston’s talk.” (Ibid., p. 322.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>