Externe

http://www.juancole.com/2008/09/cole-in-salon-whats-difference-between.html

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/09/09/palin_fundamentalist/

Sept. 9, 2008 | John McCain announced that he was running for president to confront the "transcendent challenge" of the 21st century, "radical Islamic extremism," contrasting it with "stability, tolerance and democracy." But the values of his handpicked running mate, Sarah Palin, more resemble those of Muslim fundamentalists than they do those of the Founding Fathers. On censorship, the teaching of creationism in schools, reproductive rights, attributing government policy to God's will and climate change, Palin agrees with Hamas and Saudi Arabia rather than supporting tolerance and democratic precepts. What is the difference between Palin and a Muslim fundamentalist? Lipstick.

McCain pledged to work for peace based on "the transformative ideals on which we were founded." Tolerance and democracy require freedom of speech and the press, but while mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Palin inquired of the local librarian how to go about banning books that some of her constituents thought contained inappropriate language. She tried to fire the librarian for defying her. Book banning is common to fundamentalisms around the world, and the mind-set Palin displayed did not differ from that of the Hamas minister of education in the Palestinian government who banned a book of Palestinian folk tales for its sexually explicit language. In contrast, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it."

Palin argued when running for governor that creationism should be taught in public schools, at taxpayers' expense, alongside real science. Antipathy to Darwin for providing an alternative to the creation stories of the Bible and the Quran has also become a feature of Muslim fundamentalism. Saudi Arabia prohibits the study, even in universities, of evolution, Freud and Marx. Malaysia has banned a translation of "The Origin of the Species." Likewise, fundamentalists in Turkey have pressured the government to teach creationism in the public schools. McCain has praised Turkey as an anchor of democracy in the region, but Turkey's secular traditions are under severe pressure from fundamentalists in that country. McCain does them no favors by choosing a running mate who wishes to destroy the First Amendment's establishment clause, which forbids the state to give official support to any particular theology. Turkish religious activists would thereby be enabled to cite an American precedent for their own quest to put religion back at the center of Ankara's public and foreign policies.

The GOP vice-presidential pick holds that abortion should be illegal, even in cases of rape, incest or severe birth defects, making an exception only if the life of the mother is in danger. She calls abortion an "atrocity" and pledges to reshape the judiciary to fight it. Ironically, Palin's views on the matter are to the right of those in the Muslim country of Tunisia, which allows abortion in the first trimester for a wide range of reasons. Classical Muslim jurisprudents differed among one another on the issue of abortion, but many permitted it before the "quickening" of the fetus, i.e. until the end of the fourth month. Contemporary Muslim fundamentalists, however, generally oppose abortion.

Palin's stance is even stricter than that of the Parliament of the Islamic Republic of Iran. In 2005, the legislature in Tehran attempted to amend the country's antiabortion statute to permit an abortion up to four months in case of a birth defect. The conservative clerical Guardianship Council, which functions as a sort of theocratic senate, however, rejected the change. Iran's law on abortion is therefore virtually identical to the one that Palin would like to see imposed on American women, and the rationale in both cases is the same, a literalist religious impulse that resists any compromise with the realities of biology and of women's lives. Saudi Arabia's restrictive law on abortion likewise disallows it in the case or rape or incest, or of fetal impairment, which is also Gov. Palin's position.

Theocrats confuse God's will with their own mortal policies. Just as Muslim fundamentalists believe that God has given them the vast oil and gas resources in their regions, so Palin asks church workers in Alaska to pray for a $30 billion pipeline in the state because "God's will has to get done." Likewise, Palin maintained that her task as governor would be impeded "if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God." Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei of Iran expresses much the same sentiment when he says "the only way to attain prosperity and progress is to rely on Islam."

Not only does Palin not believe global warming is "man-made," she favors massive new drilling to spew more carbon into the atmosphere. Both as a fatalist who has surrendered to God's inscrutable will and as a politician from an oil-rich region, she thereby echoes Saudi Arabia. Riyadh has been found to have exercised inappropriate influence in watering down a report in 2007 of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Neither Christians nor Muslims necessarily share the beliefs detailed above. Many believers in both traditions uphold freedom of speech and the press. Indeed, in a recent poll, over 90 percent of Egyptians and Iranians said that they would build freedom of expression into any constitution they designed. Many believers find ways of reconciling the scientific theory of evolution with faith in God, not finding it necessary to believe that the world was created suddenly only 6,000 ago. Some medieval Muslim thinkers asserted that the world had existed from eternity, and others spoke of cycles of hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Mystical Muslim poets spoke of humankind traversing the stages of mineral, plant and animal. Modern Islamic fundamentalists have attempted to narrow this great, diverse tradition.

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La 2008-09-09 19:23:18, Arcturus a scris:

ca tu iesti timpit si ea dastapta, si mai este si bine. tu de fapt cred ca nu esti acceptat nici in cercurile gay poate doar daca platesti!

Iarasi incepi animalule? Esti nervos ca te-au mutat de la troleibuz la trotineta?

La 2008-09-09 20:10:06, OldPhil a scris:

> La 2008-09-09 19:23:18, Arcturus a scris:
>
> ca tu iesti timpit si ea dastapta, si mai este si bine. tu de fapt
> cred ca nu esti acceptat nici in cercurile gay poate doar daca
> platesti!
>

La 2008-09-09 20:16:39, Arcturus a scris:

vezi ca a mai zis unu' asa ceva dupa ce sa trezit cu un brinzoi pa costum. si ce, troleibuzul dezonoreaza, stii sa conduci o masina macar? pt cunostintele tale generale nu am venit aici dupa '89 ca tine si multi alti idioti din kkanada, nici cetatean roman nu sint de ' j de ani si inginer mai bun ca tine, care esti daca esti. da tu ce "facultate ai facut"? ca asta este prima intrebare care o pun romanii din kkanada cind vad alti romani mai noi sa se sparga in basini, boule!

> Iarasi incepi animalule? Esti nervos ca te-au mutat de la troleibuz la
> trotineta?
>
> La 2008-09-09 20:10:06, OldPhil a scris:
>
> > La 2008-09-09 19:23:18, Arcturus a scris:
> >
> > ca tu iesti timpit si ea dastapta, si mai este si bine. tu de fapt
> > cred ca nu esti acceptat nici in cercurile gay poate doar daca
> > platesti!
> >
>
>

Berbece, am mai auzit placa cu soferu, schimb-o ca te faci de rusine.

La 2008-09-09 20:49:32, OldPhil a scris:

> La 2008-09-09 20:16:39, Arcturus a scris:
>
> vezi ca a mai zis unu' asa ceva dupa ce sa trezit cu un brinzoi pa
> costum. si ce, troleibuzul dezonoreaza, stii sa conduci o masina
> macar? pt cunostintele tale generale nu am venit aici dupa '89 ca
> tine si multi alti idioti din kkanada, nici cetatean roman nu sint de
> ' j de ani si inginer mai bun ca tine, care esti daca esti. da tu ce
> "facultate ai facut"? ca asta este prima intrebare care o pun romanii
> din kkanada cind vad alti romani mai noi sa se sparga in basini,
> boule!
>
> > Iarasi incepi animalule? Esti nervos ca te-au mutat de la troleibuz la
> > trotineta?
> >
> > La 2008-09-09 20:10:06, OldPhil a scris:
> >
> > > La 2008-09-09 19:23:18, Arcturus a scris:
> > >
> > > ca tu iesti timpit si ea dastapta, si mai este si bine. tu de fapt
> > > cred ca nu esti acceptat nici in cercurile gay poate doar daca
> > > platesti!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

La 2008-09-09 20:49:32, OldPhil a scris:

ti-am zis ca esti timpit, nu ai prins ironia, bolovane!

> La 2008-09-09 20:16:39, Arcturus a scris:
>
> vezi ca a mai zis unu' asa ceva dupa ce sa trezit cu un brinzoi pa
> costum. si ce, troleibuzul dezonoreaza, stii sa conduci o masina
> macar? pt cunostintele tale generale nu am venit aici dupa '89 ca
> tine si multi alti idioti din kkanada, nici cetatean roman nu sint de
> ' j de ani si inginer mai bun ca tine, care esti daca esti. da tu ce
> "facultate ai facut"? ca asta este prima intrebare care o pun romanii
> din kkanada cind vad alti romani mai noi sa se sparga in basini,
> boule!
>
> > Iarasi incepi animalule? Esti nervos ca te-au mutat de la troleibuz la
> > trotineta?
> >
> > La 2008-09-09 20:10:06, OldPhil a scris:
> >
> > > La 2008-09-09 19:23:18, Arcturus a scris:
> > >
> > > ca tu iesti timpit si ea dastapta, si mai este si bine. tu de fapt
> > > cred ca nu esti acceptat nici in cercurile gay poate doar daca
> > > platesti!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Altceva?

Caracterul jegos pe care il afisezi de unde l-ai dobandit? De pe troilebuz? Sau de pe tir, cand iti dadeau pestii la kk?


La 2008-09-09 21:11:57, OldPhil a scris:

> La 2008-09-09 20:49:32, OldPhil a scris:
>
> ti-am zis ca esti timpit, nu ai prins ironia, bolovane!
>
> > La 2008-09-09 20:16:39, Arcturus a scris:
> >
> > vezi ca a mai zis unu' asa ceva dupa ce sa trezit cu un brinzoi pa
> > costum. si ce, troleibuzul dezonoreaza, stii sa conduci o masina
> > macar? pt cunostintele tale generale nu am venit aici dupa '89 ca
> > tine si multi alti idioti din kkanada, nici cetatean roman nu sint de
> > ' j de ani si inginer mai bun ca tine, care esti daca esti. da tu ce
> > "facultate ai facut"? ca asta este prima intrebare care o pun romanii
> > din kkanada cind vad alti romani mai noi sa se sparga in basini,
> > boule!
> >
> > > Iarasi incepi animalule? Esti nervos ca te-au mutat de la troleibuz la
> > > trotineta?
> > >
> > > La 2008-09-09 20:10:06, OldPhil a scris:
> > >
> > > > La 2008-09-09 19:23:18, Arcturus a scris:
> > > >
> > > > ca tu iesti timpit si ea dastapta, si mai este si bine. tu de fapt
> > > > cred ca nu esti acceptat nici in cercurile gay poate doar daca
> > > > platesti!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

La 2008-09-09 21:15:35, Arcturus a scris:

de la Romanica bineinteles, adica ce credeai, de la timpiti ca tine?

> Altceva?
>
> Caracterul jegos pe care il afisezi de unde l-ai dobandit? De pe
> troilebuz? Sau de pe tir, cand iti dadeau pestii la kk?
>
>
> La 2008-09-09 21:11:57, OldPhil a scris:
>
> > La 2008-09-09 20:49:32, OldPhil a scris:
> >
> > ti-am zis ca esti timpit, nu ai prins ironia, bolovane!
> >
> > > La 2008-09-09 20:16:39, Arcturus a scris:
> > >
> > > vezi ca a mai zis unu' asa ceva dupa ce sa trezit cu un brinzoi pa
> > > costum. si ce, troleibuzul dezonoreaza, stii sa conduci o masina
> > > macar? pt cunostintele tale generale nu am venit aici dupa '89 ca
> > > tine si multi alti idioti din kkanada, nici cetatean roman nu sint de
> > > ' j de ani si inginer mai bun ca tine, care esti daca esti. da tu ce
> > > "facultate ai facut"? ca asta este prima intrebare care o pun romanii
> > > din kkanada cind vad alti romani mai noi sa se sparga in basini,
> > > boule!
> > >
> > > > Iarasi incepi animalule? Esti nervos ca te-au mutat de la troleibuz la
> > > > trotineta?
> > > >
> > > > La 2008-09-09 20:10:06, OldPhil a scris:
> > > >
> > > > > La 2008-09-09 19:23:18, Arcturus a scris:
> > > > >
> > > > > ca tu iesti timpit si ea dastapta, si mai este si bine. tu de fapt
> > > > > cred ca nu esti acceptat nici in cercurile gay poate doar daca
> > > > > platesti!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>