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Imi pare bine ca-ti pare bine .Totusi , nu ai contra argumentat argumetle subsemnatului deiaeri cu nimic...dar ca de obicei schimbati subiectul de ici ,de colo...Insusi postarea dtale de ieri dovedeste ca pe Democrati nu-i intreseaz o persoana capabila ci una de culoare , sau femeie ,etc.,etc...Un Democrat , cand se auita la o persoana nu vede in acea persoana un american Nu!...ei vad ori o femeie , oei un homosexual , ori un african american ,ori un hispanic, ori un sindicalist, ori un pensionar ,ori un student ,etc.etc...Divide et impera , o balcanizare a americii...Pana una alta , acesta campanie electorala a dezvaluit , unde sunt rasistii ,segregationistii , neo bolsevicii si anti semitii...Spre deosebire de sociatatile socialiste ,cu care tu esti invatat , un presedinte america (cel putin pana acum) ,nu se opcupa de ideologizarea tarii si a populatiei...Aceasta afirmatie a ta ,precum Bush ar fi legat de acest val al neobolsevismului denota , lipsa ta de cunostiinta , la acest subiect...Aceasta miscare , asi are originile la sfarsitul anilor '60 ,cand fostii hyppies , au crescut , sau dezintoxificat ,deratizat, spalat si tuns , si au devenit profesori universitari si in colegiile americane...Si au transformat scolile ,universitatile si colegiile americane in centre de indoctrinare , cu profilul , anti american ,anti capitalist , pro socialist...Capitolele despre G. Washinton si A. Lincoln ,au fost inclocuite cu capitole despre Che Guevara, Marx ,etc...Lectiile de economie de piata au fost inlocuite de predici despre valoarea luptei de clasa , despre criminalitatea si enechitatea capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama , Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...

Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama" Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

[...]
The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more radical than he would like us to know."

The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."

The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support".

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton. The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted" after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the campaign.

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."
[...]



La 2008-05-09 19:50:14, alamar a scris:
[...]
> capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama ,
> Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus
> bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In
> anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din
> trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il
> regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista
> ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether
> Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor
> universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...
>

care are investitzii in Husein Obama.......ia vezi ce zice Washington Times........




La 2008-05-09 20:10:09, dorinP a scris:

> Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama"
> Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?
>
> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
>
> [...]
> The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers
> appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by
> Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand
> turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the
> Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more
> radical than he would like us to know."
>
> The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week
> pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's
> contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican
> attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at
> the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would
> seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon
> Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."
>
> The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting
> that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a
> leftwinger with dubious support".
>
> The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200
> contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint
> membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond
> to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the
> relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that
> Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a
> former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
>
> Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the
> Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an
> eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and
> any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is
> ridiculous.
>
> In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation
> about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton.
> The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted"
> after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a
> relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such
> arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told
> me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the
> campaign.
>
> But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out,
> Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband
> commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground
> members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving
> office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted
> terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former
> Weatherman who was never convicted?
>
> Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago
> intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The
> president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been
> selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and
> "passion for social justice."
>
> "This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was
> very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It
> would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or
> contributed money to one of his campaigns."
> [...]
>
>
>
> La 2008-05-09 19:50:14, alamar a scris:
> [...]
> > capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama ,
> > Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus
> > bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In
> > anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din
> > trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il
> > regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista
> > ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether
> > Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor
> > universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...
> >
>
>

bea oua nefierte.


La 2008-05-09 20:14:05, Mos Grigore a scris:

> care are investitzii in Husein Obama.......ia vezi ce zice Washington
> Times........
>
>
>
>
> La 2008-05-09 20:10:09, dorinP a scris:
>
> > Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama"
> > Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?
> >
> > http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
> >
> > [...]
> > The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers
> > appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by
> > Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand
> > turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the
> > Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more
> > radical than he would like us to know."
> >
> > The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week
> > pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's
> > contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican
> > attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at
> > the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would
> > seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon
> > Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."
> >
> > The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting
> > that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a
> > leftwinger with dubious support".
> >
> > The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200
> > contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint
> > membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond
> > to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the
> > relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that
> > Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a
> > former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
> >
> > Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the
> > Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an
> > eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and
> > any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is
> > ridiculous.
> >
> > In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation
> > about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton.
> > The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted"
> > after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a
> > relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such
> > arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told
> > me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the
> > campaign.
> >
> > But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out,
> > Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband
> > commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground
> > members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving
> > office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted
> > terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former
> > Weatherman who was never convicted?
> >
> > Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago
> > intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The
> > president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been
> > selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and
> > "passion for social justice."
> >
> > "This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was
> > very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It
> > would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or
> > contributed money to one of his campaigns."
> > [...]
> >
> >
> >
> > La 2008-05-09 19:50:14, alamar a scris:
> > [...]
> > > capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama ,
> > > Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus
> > > bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In
> > > anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din
> > > trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il
> > > regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista
> > > ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether
> > > Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor
> > > universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

La 2008-05-09 20:10:09, dorinP a scris:

> Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama"
> Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?
>
> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
>
> [...]
> The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers
> appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by
> Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand
> turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the
> Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more
> radical than he would like us to know."
>
> The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week
> pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's
> contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican
> attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at
> the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would
> seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon
> Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."
>
> The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting
> that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a
> leftwinger with dubious support".
>
> The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200
> contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint
> membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond
> to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the
> relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that
> Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a
> former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
>
> Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the
> Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an
> eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and
> any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is
> ridiculous.
>
> In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation
> about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton.
> The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted"
> after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a
> relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such
> arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told
> me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the
> campaign.
>
> But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out,
> Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband
> commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground
> members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving
> office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted
> terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former
> Weatherman who was never convicted?
>
> Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago
> intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The
> president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been
> selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and
> "passion for social justice."
>
> "This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was
> very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It
> would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or
> contributed money to one of his campaigns."
> [...]
>
>
>
> La 2008-05-09 19:50:14, alamar a scris:
> [...]
> > capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama ,
> > Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus
> > bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In
> > anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din
> > trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il
> > regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista
> > ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether
> > Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor
> > universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...
> >
>
>
De ce esti asa de crud dle P ?...de ce te joci cu simtaminele subsemnatului ?...Sper ca observi cat de sensibil sunt la critica ....Deci pe care buton doresti dta sa apas ? pe : Enter ,sau Repeat ?...Dar ma bucur ,ca ai inlocuit bruiajul cu o postare si ai inceput sa cementezi putin...In dec. 2007 , media de dezinforn=mare in masa american a facut un sondaj catre ziaristii celor mai mari ziare americane...In acest sondaj , din cei 187 de propagandisti , 91% din eu au votat toata viata lor numai Democrat...iar din acestia majoritatea doneaza bani candidatilor Democrati , iar a doua zi scriu "articole" ...echilibrate si binentles fara nici o agenda personala...Acestia sunt aceeasi indivizii care au incercuit carutele in jurul lui Bill Clinton , in '90s cand acesta amintit sub juramant si ca urmare a obtinut titul de : cel de-al doilea prezident din istoria americana care a fost : Impeached (admonestat) de Congress...Astazi aceeasi indivizi, care erau mesmorizati de ecapadele amoraose ale lui Bill , si de felul cum a perfectionat arta minciunii, astazi aceeasi indivizi de la washington post , new york times, l.a. times, chicago tribune ,atlanta constitution,etc.,etc., i-au aruncat sub tren pe clintonistas , si omul momentului este noul mesia de culoare...Dle P Realitatea si Faptele sunt un element incapatanat , si nu pot fi sterse din Istorie...cu toata propaganda asta a medioei de dezinformare in masa...

PS. Fii atent ca iar ai calcat in...............shantz de se simte de aici.........ia furtunu'


La 2008-05-09 20:17:49, George W. Bush a scris:

> bea oua nefierte.
>
>
> La 2008-05-09 20:14:05, Mos Grigore a scris:
>
> > care are investitzii in Husein Obama.......ia vezi ce zice Washington
> > Times........
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > La 2008-05-09 20:10:09, dorinP a scris:
> >
> > > Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama"
> > > Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?
> > >
> > > http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers
> > > appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by
> > > Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand
> > > turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the
> > > Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more
> > > radical than he would like us to know."
> > >
> > > The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week
> > > pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's
> > > contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican
> > > attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at
> > > the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would
> > > seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon
> > > Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."
> > >
> > > The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting
> > > that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a
> > > leftwinger with dubious support".
> > >
> > > The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200
> > > contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint
> > > membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond
> > > to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the
> > > relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that
> > > Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a
> > > former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
> > >
> > > Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the
> > > Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an
> > > eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and
> > > any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is
> > > ridiculous.
> > >
> > > In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation
> > > about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton.
> > > The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted"
> > > after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a
> > > relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such
> > > arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told
> > > me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the
> > > campaign.
> > >
> > > But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out,
> > > Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband
> > > commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground
> > > members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving
> > > office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted
> > > terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former
> > > Weatherman who was never convicted?
> > >
> > > Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago
> > > intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The
> > > president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been
> > > selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and
> > > "passion for social justice."
> > >
> > > "This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was
> > > very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It
> > > would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or
> > > contributed money to one of his campaigns."
> > > [...]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > La 2008-05-09 19:50:14, alamar a scris:
> > > [...]
> > > > capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama ,
> > > > Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus
> > > > bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In
> > > > anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din
> > > > trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il
> > > > regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista
> > > > ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether
> > > > Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor
> > > > universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

scri din ce in ce mai putine cretinisme.ca sa-ti revina vocea,bea niste oua crude.
vezi ca gligore,d-abia a ouat mai adineaori.




La 2008-05-09 20:27:47, alamar a scris:

> La 2008-05-09 20:10:09, dorinP a scris:
>
> > Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama"
> > Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?
> >
> > http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
> >
> > [...]
> > The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers
> > appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by
> > Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand
> > turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the
> > Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more
> > radical than he would like us to know."
> >
> > The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week
> > pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's
> > contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican
> > attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at
> > the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would
> > seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon
> > Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."
> >
> > The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting
> > that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a
> > leftwinger with dubious support".
> >
> > The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200
> > contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint
> > membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond
> > to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the
> > relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that
> > Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a
> > former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
> >
> > Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the
> > Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an
> > eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and
> > any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is
> > ridiculous.
> >
> > In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation
> > about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton.
> > The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted"
> > after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a
> > relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such
> > arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told
> > me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the
> > campaign.
> >
> > But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out,
> > Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband
> > commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground
> > members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving
> > office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted
> > terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former
> > Weatherman who was never convicted?
> >
> > Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago
> > intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The
> > president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been
> > selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and
> > "passion for social justice."
> >
> > "This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was
> > very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It
> > would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or
> > contributed money to one of his campaigns."
> > [...]
> >
> >
> >
> > La 2008-05-09 19:50:14, alamar a scris:
> > [...]
> > > capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama ,
> > > Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus
> > > bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In
> > > anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din
> > > trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il
> > > regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista
> > > ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether
> > > Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor
> > > universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...
> > >
> >
> >
> De ce esti asa de crud dle P ?...de ce te joci cu simtaminele
> subsemnatului ?...Sper ca observi cat de sensibil sunt la critica
> ....Deci pe care buton doresti dta sa apas ? pe : Enter ,sau Repeat
> ?...Dar ma bucur ,ca ai inlocuit bruiajul cu o postare si ai inceput
> sa cementezi putin...In dec. 2007 , media de dezinforn=mare in masa
> american a facut un sondaj catre ziaristii celor mai mari ziare
> americane...In acest sondaj , din cei 187 de propagandisti , 91% din
> eu au votat toata viata lor numai Democrat...iar din acestia
> majoritatea doneaza bani candidatilor Democrati , iar a doua zi scriu
> "articole" ...echilibrate si binentles fara nici o agenda
> personala...Acestia sunt aceeasi indivizii care au incercuit carutele
> in jurul lui Bill Clinton , in '90s cand acesta amintit sub juramant
> si ca urmare a obtinut titul de : cel de-al doilea prezident din
> istoria americana care a fost : Impeached (admonestat) de
> Congress...Astazi aceeasi indivizi, care erau mesmorizati de ecapadele
> amoraose ale lui Bill , si de felul cum a perfectionat arta minciunii,
> astazi aceeasi indivizi de la washington post , new york times, l.a.
> times, chicago tribune ,atlanta constitution,etc.,etc., i-au aruncat
> sub tren pe clintonistas , si omul momentului este noul mesia de
> culoare...Dle P Realitatea si Faptele sunt un element incapatanat , si
> nu pot fi sterse din Istorie...cu toata propaganda asta a medioei de
> dezinformare in masa...
>

ce simti tu acolo,e propria-ti "productie" si de cald ce-ti tine,nu te-nduri sa-ti schimbi nadragii.



La 2008-05-09 20:41:51, Mos Grigore a scris:

> PS. Fii atent ca iar ai calcat in...............shantz de se simte de
> aici.........ia furtunu'
>
>
> La 2008-05-09 20:17:49, George W. Bush a scris:
>
> > bea oua nefierte.
> >
> >
> > La 2008-05-09 20:14:05, Mos Grigore a scris:
> >
> > > care are investitzii in Husein Obama.......ia vezi ce zice Washington
> > > Times........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > La 2008-05-09 20:10:09, dorinP a scris:
> > >
> > > > Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama"
> > > > Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?
> > > >
> > > > http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers
> > > > appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by
> > > > Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand
> > > > turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the
> > > > Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more
> > > > radical than he would like us to know."
> > > >
> > > > The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week
> > > > pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's
> > > > contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican
> > > > attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at
> > > > the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would
> > > > seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon
> > > > Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."
> > > >
> > > > The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting
> > > > that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a
> > > > leftwinger with dubious support".
> > > >
> > > > The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200
> > > > contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint
> > > > membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond
> > > > to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the
> > > > relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that
> > > > Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a
> > > > former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:
> > > >
> > > > Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the
> > > > Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an
> > > > eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and
> > > > any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is
> > > > ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation
> > > > about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton.
> > > > The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted"
> > > > after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a
> > > > relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such
> > > > arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told
> > > > me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the
> > > > campaign.
> > > >
> > > > But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out,
> > > > Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband
> > > > commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground
> > > > members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving
> > > > office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted
> > > > terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former
> > > > Weatherman who was never convicted?
> > > >
> > > > Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago
> > > > intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The
> > > > president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been
> > > > selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and
> > > > "passion for social justice."
> > > >
> > > > "This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was
> > > > very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It
> > > > would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or
> > > > contributed money to one of his campaigns."
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > La 2008-05-09 19:50:14, alamar a scris:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > capitalismului, etc.etc..Exibit #1 : amicul si asociatul lui Obama ,
> > > > > Bill Ayers , un terorist care a pus bombe sub masinilepolitiei , a pus
> > > > > bombe , la Pentagon , la caselor "bogatilor" nevinovati , etc.etc...In
> > > > > anii '70...Acest terorist a declarat ca nu regreta aceste acte ,din
> > > > > trecut , si este mandru de trecutul lui...Singurul lucru pe care il
> > > > > regreta , este faptul ca nu a pus mai multe bombe...Org. terorista
> > > > > ,marxista , din care Ayers a facurt parte s-a numit Wether
> > > > > Underground...Astzi , acest terorist , Ayers , este profesor
> > > > > universitar in Chicago si pana in 2006 , advisor al lui Obama...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

La 2008-05-09 20:10:09, dorinP a scris:

> Ayers este "amicul si asociatul lui Obama", "advisor al lui Obama"
> Esti sigur de ceea ce afirmi?


Dorine, efortul lui Washington Post de a-l dezasocia pe Obama de Ayers este mult prea disproportionat in raport cu importanta subiectului. Nu Ayers este problema lui Obama, ci faptul ca este, intr-adevar, un radical, mai mult decit atit, un radical resentimentar.

Nu Ayers este proba decisiva, ci resume-ul tipului, cartile sale (ca tot intreba cineva pe aici, nu mai stiu cine, daca le-a citit careva), activitatea (de activist :-) si "organizer"). Problema lui Obama este "typical white person" si "embiterred people who cling to their guns and their religion", nu Ayers. Vecinatatea lui Ayers este un efect, nu o cauza.

Cind citesti piesa din Wash Post, baga de seama ca, inti si-ntii, inainte de a se trece la cestiune, se face demonizarea Hitchensilor - unul right-wing (pacat capital!), fra-su declarat "guilty by association" - pentru ca e frate-su lu' frate-su. In caz ca asta nu-i suficient, i se arunca lui Christopher si crima de apostazie: left-winger turned Irak war supporter.

Numai dupa aceste clarificari absolut necesare ;-) se trece la subiect: Obama-Ayers.


> Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago
> intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The
> president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been
> selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and
> "passion for social justice."

... "solid academic credentials and passion for social justice"... Well, this pretty much summarizes everything... :-))