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alex326
2008-08-28 22:12:13

supraestimare

Cred ca supraestimati cu mult posibilitatile si valoarea DGIA si in general a tuturor serviciilor secrete din Romania. Tot articolul suna cam in acelasi ton cu elucubratiile unui Pavel Corut referitoare la "bubuli". Aberatii.

Mihnea Apostol
2008-08-28 22:42:51

Dupa razboi multi viteji se arata

Daca supozitiile din articol sunt adevarate ar insemna ca a fost o conspiratie mondiala, in care mari criminali "strategi militari" se joaca cu viata si destinul unei tari mici condusa de un scelerat, cu consecinte grave si de lunga durata pentru gruzini.
In dec.'89 URSS si SUA s-au inteles: eu ursul il elimin pe Ceausescu si pun la conducerea Romaniei oamenii mei si te las pe tine sa-l arestezi pe gen. Noriega presedintele Panama - tara libera si independenta.
Daca acum s-au inteles din nou ? Eu Bush te las sa-ti extinzi dominatia in Caucaz-Marea Neagra, iar tu Putin ma lasi pe mine SUA si Israel sa-mi fac de cap in Iran ?

Zenn
2008-08-28 22:51:26

Re: Dupa razboi multi viteji se arata

Si China unde-o lasi? P-aia n-antrebat-o Bush, ce si cum?



La 2008-08-28 22:42:51, Mihnea Apostol a scris:

Eu Bush te las sa-ti extinzi dominatia in Caucaz-Marea Neagra, iar tu Putin ma lasi pe mine SUA si Israel sa-mi fac de cap in Iran ?
>

Klaus Steinberg
2008-08-28 23:19:53

Adevarul e ca SUA a atacat prin unealta sa , Georgia !

Rusii au capturat regsitrul de operatii al garnizoanei din Sinaki impreuna cu hartile de rigoare unde este trecuta operatiunea de atac asupra Abhaziei de catre trei brigazi ( 9.000 soldati )
In timpul operatiilor a fost ucis un ofitzer american . Pasaportul sau a fost prezentat la TV
Stati linistit , rusii stiu ca NATO ,UE si OSCE au stiut de atac.

Hai sa vedem ce zice Saakashvili intru-n interviu da ziarului Financial Times la 24 august :

What about the statement that Georgian forces moved to restore constitutional order in South Ossetia?

MS: I never said that, I never said that. Some officer said it, I never said it. From our point of view it was responding to a Russian invasion, it was responding to separatists firing on our villages. Restoring constitutional order is a Russian term, I’ve never used it in my life. That’s the way Russians described Chechnya.

Was the military unprepared?

MS: No European country, including the big ones, would have been able to confront that number of Russian tanks in such a small theatre, and the entire Russian air force. Our goal was to confront them for three days and to wake up the world. When people say the Georgian army invaded that is a technically unclear term, what does it mean invaded, it was such a small place there was nothing to invade there. Their whole propaganda machine was ready, they were ready for the war; we were not ready.

Cand e intrebat ce e cu " restabilirea ordinii constitutionale " el zice ca nu a spus nicidata asa ceva :)))) dar abia dupa asta urmeaza destainuirea sa, atunci cand e intrebat " au fost militarii (georgieni ) nepregatiti ? Raspunsul sau :........ Tzelul nostru a fost sa rezistam trei zile si sa facem lumea sa intervina in razboi pentru noi. ..... Rti priceput ??? El voia un razboi mondial .... Georgia + restul lumii contra Rusiei. Acum cu adimiterea, sunt toate sansele sa murim pentru un dement si sustinatorii sai.

MirceaS
2008-08-28 23:27:54

Re: Adevarul e ca SUA a atacat prin unealta sa , Georgia !

La 2008-08-28 23:19:53, Klaus Steinberg a scris:

> Rusii au capturat regsitrul de operatii al garnizoanei din Sinaki
> impreuna cu hartile de rigoare unde este trecuta operatiunea de
> atac asupra Abhaziei de catre trei brigazi ( 9.000 soldati )
> In timpul operatiilor a fost ucis un ofitzer american . Pasaportul sau
> a fost prezentat la TV
> Stati linistit , rusii stiu ca NATO ,UE si OSCE au stiut de atac.
>

Nu stiu d-le Steinberg de ce bagati OSCE in istorie. Printre cele 56 de tari din OSCE se numara si Rusia. Deci rusii stiu ca rusii au stiut de atac.

valentin vasilescu
2008-08-29 00:58:49

chiar credeti ca Radici a inteles ceva din asta ? nu e Tigareta 2 in care e infipt pina la epoleti

"The American-armed and trained Georgian army swarmed into South Ossetia. What happened on the night of Aug. 7 is beyond comprehension. The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas, killing an estimated 2,000 civilians, sending 40,000 South Ossetians fleeing over the Russian border, and destroying much of the capital, Tskhinvali. The attack was unprovoked and took place a full 24 hours before even ONE Russian soldier set foot in South Ossetia. The Georgian leadership could do this only with the perceived support and encouragement of a much more powerful force. Georgian armed forces were trained by hundreds of U.S. instructors, and its sophisticated military equipment was bought in a number of countries. This, coupled with the promise of NATO membership, emboldened Georgian leaders into thinking that they could get away with a "blitzkrieg" in South Ossetia…Russia had to respond. To accuse it of aggression against "small, defenseless Georgia" is not just hypocritical but shows a lack of humanity." ("A Path to Peace in the Caucasus", Mikhail Gorbachev, Washington Post). Georgian President Mikail Saakashvili is an American stooge who came to power in a CIA-backed coup, the so-called "Rose Revolution", and would never order a major military operation without explicit instructions from his White House puppetmasters. The Georgian army had no chance of winning a war with Russia or any intention of occupying the territory they captured. The real aim was to lure the Russian army into a trap. US planners hope to do what they did so skillfully in Afghanistan; lure their Russian prey into a long and bloody Chechnya-type fiasco that will pit their Russia troops against guerrilla forces armed and trained by US military and intelligence agencies. According to Earl of Stirling on the Global Research web site: Operation Brimstone, the joint US, UK and French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran, ended just last week. The war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the "enemy force. Stirling adds: "A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The South Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has been heading towards the border….American Marines, a thousand of them, have recently been in Georgia training the Georgian military forces… Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the Georgians to attack South Ossetia…This could get bad, and remember it is just a strategic diversion….but one that could have horrific effects." ("Massive US Naval Armada Heads for Iran", Earl of Stirling, Global Research). South Ossetia was a trap and Putin took the bait. Unfortunately for Bush, the wily Russian prime minister is considerably brighter than anyone in the current administration. Bush’s plan will undoubtedly backfire and disrupt the geopolitical balance of power. The world might get that breather from the US after all.

OldPhil
2008-08-29 03:13:19

Re: chiar credeti ca Radici a inteles ceva din asta ? nu e Tigareta 2 in care e infipt pina la epoleti

La 2008-08-29 00:58:49, valentin vasilescu a scris:

si asta de unde ai copiato, din k-rici pogonici, sau de la gazeta de perete? numeste si tu o sursa. nu cumva din hustler?

> "The American-armed and trained Georgian army swarmed into South
> Ossetia. What happened on the night of Aug. 7 is beyond comprehension.
> The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of
> Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large
> areas, killing an estimated 2,000 civilians, sending 40,000 South
> Ossetians fleeing over the Russian border, and destroying much of the
> capital, Tskhinvali. The attack was unprovoked and took place a full
> 24 hours before even ONE Russian soldier set foot in South Ossetia.
> The Georgian leadership could do this only with the perceived support
> and encouragement of a much more powerful force. Georgian armed forces
> were trained by hundreds of U.S. instructors, and its sophisticated
> military equipment was bought in a number of countries. This, coupled
> with the promise of NATO membership, emboldened Georgian leaders into
> thinking that they could get away with a "blitzkrieg" in
> South Ossetia…Russia had to respond. To accuse it of aggression
> against "small, defenseless Georgia" is not just
> hypocritical but shows a lack of humanity." ("A Path to
> Peace in the Caucasus", Mikhail Gorbachev, Washington Post).
> Georgian President Mikail Saakashvili is an American stooge who came
> to power in a CIA-backed coup, the so-called "Rose
> Revolution", and would never order a major military operation
> without explicit instructions from his White House puppetmasters. The
> Georgian army had no chance of winning a war with Russia or any
> intention of occupying the territory they captured. The real aim was
> to lure the Russian army into a trap. US planners hope to do what they
> did so skillfully in Afghanistan; lure their Russian prey into a long
> and bloody Chechnya-type fiasco that will pit their Russia troops
> against guerrilla forces armed and trained by US military and
> intelligence agencies. According to Earl of Stirling on the Global
> Research web site: Operation Brimstone, the joint US, UK and French
> naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade
> of Iran, ended just last week. The war games included a US Navy
> supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle
> group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear
> hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers,
> destroyers and frigates playing the "enemy force. Stirling adds:
> "A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The South
> Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has
> been heading towards the border….American Marines, a thousand of
> them, have recently been in Georgia training the Georgian military
> forces… Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the
> Georgians to attack South Ossetia…This could get bad, and
> remember it is just a strategic diversion….but one that could
> have horrific effects." ("Massive US Naval Armada Heads
> for Iran", Earl of Stirling, Global Research). South Ossetia was
> a trap and Putin took the bait. Unfortunately for Bush, the wily
> Russian prime minister is considerably brighter than anyone in the
> current administration. Bush’s plan will undoubtedly backfire
> and disrupt the geopolitical balance of power. The world might get
> that breather from the US after all.
>

briel
2008-08-29 06:28:10

Deci stia Base din 6 august? Apai atunci stiati si voi, mai draga

ziaristilor, ca de aia uitarati de sarbatoarea Schimbarii la Fata a Domnului, ba chiar si de aniversarea Hiroshimei. Erati cu benoaclele
spre rasarit. Au ba?

CAP-istul
2008-08-29 09:07:30

MELE, DU-TE LA LIPIT AFISE !

Ori am innebunit eu ori Mele nu intelege ce trebuie sa spuna si ce nu trebuie sa spuna ! Cum sa iesi si sa spui ca ai stiut dinainte ce se va intampla ? In primul rand dai de gol activitatile serviciilor (daca au existat aceste activitati), in al doilea rand, daca ai stiut, de ce nu ai facut nimic ptr. a-l determina pe Saaka sa stea linistit si sa nu cada in capcana rusilor, mai ales ca exista deja precedentul Transnistria-91.
Individul asta (Mele) continua sa se trezeasca vorbind. Ba se justifica in fata banditilor din Abhazia ca n-a vandut arme sau ca le-am vandut legal (e cumva si ministru al Comertului?), ba isi umfla muschi cu cele doua fregate noi... care au un tun (ati facut rost de munitie ptr. el?) si doua tuburi lanstorpile.
Bine ca a rezolvat-o cu transportoarele PIRANHA! Vom achizitiona 400 bucati..... cate zece pe an, in timp ce Moreniul sta si se uita la SAUR (Ei sunt de stat si au bugetul de protocol cam mic).
Domnu' Tariceanu, faceti ceva cu Mele ca ne imbolnaveste de nervi ! Bagati-l la lipit afise ca e inalt si poate sa le lipeasca mai sus pe stalpi.

CAP-istul
2008-08-29 09:15:37

@Klaus Steinberg

"Our goal was to confront them for three days and to wake up the world" inseamna "Scopul nostru a fost sa-i infruntam trei zile si sa trezim lumea" nu bazaconia de traducere pe care ai facut-o.
Asta nu-l scuteste pe Saaka de raspunderea ptr. gafa de a cadea in capcana rusilor si de a-i ataca pe separatisti. Exista deja precedentul Transnistria-91.

sorge
2008-08-29 09:30:11

Melescanu nu a facut o declaratie .

Atita timp cit inaintea si in timpul conflictului nu s a simtit prezenta romaneasca in interiorul tarii noastre si apare cu o declaratie ca a exista o sursa care i a spus ,nu are valoare.
Arhivele militare sint pline de dezvaluiri post facto ,platite la greu si fara acoperire.Pe scurt il banuiesc pe Melescanu de cooperare cu alte servicii si de intoxicare.

Klaus Steinberg
2008-08-29 10:24:27

Draga CAP-istule ,

Traducerea reprezinta exact ce a vrut sa spuna Saakashvili , dar a spus sub alta forma . Adica cum sa trezeasca lumea ???? Sa vina Basescu si sa-l felicite cati osetieni a omorat ?? Ce trebuia sa faca ( dupa mata ) lumea aia " trezita " ?? Nu trebuia sa-i sara in ajutor ???
Aduceti-va aminte ( daca va da voie constiintza politica ) cum striga Kakashvili asta dupa ajutor , urland ca America e de fapt atacata , bla, bla,bla. De fapt el nu mintzea ; ofiterii americani luau parte activa la lupte . Numai ca in ziarele noastre ( orientate politic corect ) nu vetzi gasii nici o relatare despre actele americane gasite la cei ucisi in lupta .
Cu ocazia asta ii mai raspund si domnului Mircea S.
Pai daca Melescanu , ministrul apararii , zice Romania a stiut , nu inseamna ca si OSCE -unde Severin e mare mahar , a stiut ???? Rusii habar n-au avut de ce se va intampla , Putin era la Pekin , multi in concedii . Vrand-nevrand iesim cu farba si recunoastem ca si noi am fost parte in conflict.

Klaus Steinberg
2008-08-29 10:51:46

Serviciile noastre nu au descoperit si

faptul ca produsele agroalimentare importate din SUA sunt otravuri pure ???

Separately Thursday, Putin announced that 19 U.S. poultry companies would be banned from exporting to Russia after Russian health and agriculture officials randomly tested their products and discovered they were full of antibiotics and arsenic, CNN reported.

andreifodor
2008-08-29 11:27:01

pentru a nu cita presa rusa si in engleza si in franceza, care face analize ca pe vremea lui Mende

la continutul hamburgerelor americane. Altii isi dau cu presupusul si in alt fel. Miscarile sutelor de blindate ruse si a transportoarelor care au transportat din timp cei 30.000 de soldati rusi ( ca doar nu s-or fi teleportat in juma' de ceas, desi mareata armata sovietica, care a zdrobit zmeul georgian: da, da ... ala de hartie, are tehnologii...mama mia, facute din origami, de cercetatorii care nu mancau nimic pentru a le ajunge bugetul absent) au fost, evident, nefiind invizibile, observate in acele zile( adica inainte de 7 august). Asa ca lumea a fost avertizata, putea fi un exercitiu sau nu. Cand si-au dat seama ca n-a fost exercitiu georgienii au incercat sa dea o fuga sa inchida tunelu'...da era prea tarziu.

Dan Petre
2008-08-29 12:15:43

Re: @Klaus Steinberg

La 2008-08-29 09:15:37, CAP-istul a scris:

> "Our goal was to confront them for three days and to wake up the
> world" inseamna "Scopul nostru a fost sa-i infruntam trei zile si sa
> trezim lumea" nu bazaconia de traducere pe care ai facut-o.
> Asta nu-l scuteste pe Saaka de raspunderea ptr. gafa de a cadea in
> capcana rusilor si de a-i ataca pe separatisti. Exista deja
> precedentul Transnistria-91.
>

singurii in masura sa il judece pe saakasvili sint georgienii. daca saakasvili a facut ceva rau a facut georgiei. pun pariu ca saakasvili va fi reales.

cit timp georgienii il sustin nu poti caracteriza drept gafa incercarea de a recupera teritoriile georgiene. osetinii sint 80.000, abhazii 200.000.
daca dai dreptate osetinilor atunci trebuie sa dai dreptate si secuilor, bascilor, cecenilor, gagauzilor si albanezilor din kosovo cind cer secesiunea.

observ ca cei care au scris in favoarea sirbilor acum tin partea rusilor.

valentin vasilescu
2008-08-29 12:29:56

ex-communist countries leaders, all of them in some other way linked to US

@ Dan Petre : 1. singurii in masura sa il judece pe saakasvili sint georgienii. daca saakasvili a facut ceva rau a facut georgiei. pun pariu ca saakasvili va fi reales.
2. observ ca cei care au scris in favoarea sirbilor acum tin partea rusilor.
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Faptul ca rusii au inaintat prin teritoriul Georgiei fara a fi primiti cu ostilitate demonstreaza ca Sucks Villy nu si-a consultat poporul atunci cind l-a angajat in razboi.
Despre masacrul de la Meja n-ati auzit de la prietenii dvs. albanezi de arme romanesti din Kosovo ? Acolo un convoi de etnici albanezi care se refugiau in Serbia a fost intors din drum prin nimicire de bombele unui F-16 al USAF. Va bucurati ca s-a intimplat asa ceva ?

alwis46
2008-08-29 16:29:49

Re: ex-communist countries leaders, all of them in some other way linked to US

Ba pardon, eu nu tin partea rusilor, ba chiar am scris ca daca tot au acordat rusii independenta (?!?) osetinilor sudisti si abhazilor, musai sa acorde independenta si celor peste 20 de republici, teritorii si regiuni autonome care compun Federatia Rusa.
Sa termine ceea ce au inceput cu Osetia de Sud si Abhazia dar acum sa inceapa cu propria ograda si sa nu mai calce dincolo de granita.
Pai nu ?
Pai da !


La 2008-08-29 12:29:56, valentin vasilescu a scris:

> @ Dan Petre : 1. singurii in masura sa il judece pe saakasvili sint
> georgienii. daca saakasvili a facut ceva rau a facut georgiei. pun
> pariu ca saakasvili va fi reales.
> 2. observ ca cei care au scris in favoarea sirbilor acum tin partea
> rusilor.
> -------------
> Faptul ca rusii au inaintat prin teritoriul Georgiei fara a fi primiti
> cu ostilitate demonstreaza ca Sucks Villy nu si-a consultat poporul
> atunci cind l-a angajat in razboi.
> Despre masacrul de la Meja n-ati auzit de la prietenii dvs. albanezi
> de arme romanesti din Kosovo ? Acolo un convoi de etnici albanezi care
> se refugiau in Serbia a fost intors din drum prin nimicire de bombele
> unui F-16 al USAF. Va bucurati ca s-a intimplat asa ceva ?
>
>
>

CAP-istul
2008-08-29 17:20:03

HERR KLAUS

Sunt convins ca nataraul de SAAKA si-a imaginat ca NATO va intra in razboi cu rusii ptr. el. EU ti-am spus ca traducerea din engleza era alta.

Faza cu rusii care n-au stiut e greu de sustinut. AM mai spus ca rusii ieseau deja din tunelul ROKI cand georgienii au inceput sa bombardeze capitala Osetiei. Uita-te pe Google Earth unde sunt bazele rusilor din nordul Caucazului (Mozdok, Vladikavkaz), unde e tunelul ROKI si unde este capitala Osetiei de Sud. Daca georgienii amanau atacul cu o zi, rusii ar fi ajuns cu blindatele in capitala Osetiei de sud fara sa poata explica de ce sunt acolo.
A fost o reptare la indigo a conflictului din Transnistria (provocari repetate ale separatistilor, atacul autoritatilor, interventia rusilor) Macar moldovenii au avut o scuza sa nu se prinda pentru ca la ei a fost prima aplicare a scenariului.
AI idee ce desfasurare logistica este necesara pentru a mentine cateva zile o permanenta aeriana de 50 avioane de lupta deasupra Georgiei? Aminteste-ti de interventia NATO in KOSOVO si spune-mi ca ptr. Georgia rusii nu s-aupregatit din timp.

CAP-istul
2008-08-29 17:36:15

@DAN PETRE

Prietene, nu ai rabdare sa citesti ce scriu ceilalti si de grabesti sa tragi concluzii. Nu stiu ce ar putea vreodata sa faca rusii ca eu sa fiu de partea lor.
Nu am spus ca incercarea de a recupera teritoriile e o gafa, am spus ca atacarea separatistilor a fost o gafa, in conditiile in care scenariul mai fusese aplicat in Transnistria. In momentul in care au inceput provocarile separatistilor SAAKA trebuia sa sa mediatizeze puternic in presa internationala evenimentele (la relatiile lui cu America poti sa-mi spui ca n-ar fi venit CNN-ul sau FOX NEWS sa preia si sa difuzeze stiri de acolo?). Uita-te pe YOUTUBE si cauta imagini cu provocarile separatistilor de dinaintea atacului georgian. Eu n-am gasit.
Trebuia sa se planga la ONU si OSCE si sa ceara schimbarea componentei fortelor de interpunere din Osetia de Sud. Era clar ca rusii se faceau ca nu vad ca separatistii ii tot provocau pe georgieni.
A facut ceva din toate astea ? Nu. S-a aruncat cu capul in perete.

Klaus Steinberg
2008-08-29 18:12:09

Rusii si americanii au innebunit de-a binelea ?????

Amiralul Eduard Baltin avertizeaza NATO ca la o adica poate anihila intreaga flota din Marea Neagra . Zice ; noi nu vom trage primii iar ei ( cein flota NATO ) nu arata a fi persoane cu tendintze sinucigase .
Sper ca nu sunt si barcile noastre prin preajma . Nu de alta dar am dat o gramada de bani pe ele.


Russia 'could destroy NATO ships in Black Sea within 20 minutes'
16:03 | 29/ 08/ 2008

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MOSCOW, August 29 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Black Sea Fleet is capable of destroying NATO's naval strike group currently deployed in the sea within 20 minutes, a former fleet commander said on Friday. (Russian Navy modernized - Image gallery)

Russia's General Staff said on Tuesday there were 10 NATO ships in the Black Sea - three U.S. warships, the Polish frigate General Pulaski, the German frigate FGS Lubeck, and the Spanish guided missile frigate Admiral Juan de Borbon, as well as four Turkish vessels. Eight more warships are expected to join the group.

"Despite the apparent strength, the NATO naval group in the Black Sea is not battle-worthy," Admiral Eduard Baltin said. "If necessary, a single missile salvo from the Moskva missile cruiser and two or three missile boats would be enough to annihilate the entire group."

"Within 20 minutes the waters would be clear," he said, stressing that despite major reductions, the Black Sea Fleet still has a formidable missile arsenal.

However, Baltin said the chances of a military confrontation between NATO and Russia in the Black Sea are negligible.

"We will not strike first, and they do not look like people with suicidal tendencies," he said.

In addition to its flagship, the Moskva guided missile cruiser, Russia's Black Sea Fleet includes at least three destroyers, two guided missile frigates, four guided missile corvettes and six missile boats.

NATO announced its decision to deliver humanitarian aid to Georgia after the conclusion of hostilities between Tbilisi and Moscow over breakaway South Ossetia on August 12. Moscow recognized on Tuesday both South Ossetia and Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgia republic, despite being urged by Western leaders not to do so.

Russia's General Staff later said the alliance's naval deployment in the Black Sea "cannot fail to provoke concern", with unidentified sources in the Russian military saying a surface strike group was being gathered there.

According to Russian military intelligence sources, the NATO warships that have entered the Black Sea are between them carrying over 100 Tomahawk cruise missiles and Harpoon anti-ship missiles.

valentin vasilescu
2008-08-29 19:11:15

nu inteleg nimic din filmul asta

Poate imi explica colegii dlui. Dragomir de la Info Militare, daca tot le stiau dinainte, de ce sunt prizonierii rusilor asa bronzati ? Si de cind se plimba pampalaii aia de soldati sovietici cu masini de fitze ? Sau doar le-au imprumutat sa faca poze cu ele ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqQ-lFlQuPg

Eufrosin
2008-08-29 21:14:00

Poate armata

Dupa Dumnezeu, in ei imi este ultima speranta pentru Romania.