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2007-09-01

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ionion
2007-09-01 06:58:10

Ce-a fost a fost ... URSSSSSSS nu mai este, dar ...

Rusia lui Putin exista.
Ce nashte din pisica shoareci maninca ....
DOVERJAY - NU PROVERJAY !

evreu mandru din israel
2007-09-01 11:06:02

Un dosar care nu mai e ultrasecret...

Israel warned us against Iraq invasion, US official says.

Chief of staff of former secretary of state reveals that large number of senior Israeli officials warned Bush administration that invasion of Iraq would be destabilizing to region. 'The Israelis were telling us Iraq is not the enemy - Iran is the enemy,' he says.

WASHINGTON – A senior official at the US State Department has said that political, diplomatic and military officials in Israel warned the United States against invading Iraq even before the American forces entered the country, the Inter Press Service news agency reported over the weekend.

According to the official, Israel tried to convince the Bush administration that the main problem in the region was Iran, not Iraq.
The man, Lawrence Wilkerson, was a member of the US State Department's policy planning staff and later chief of staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell.

In an interview with the news agency, he said that "the Israelis were telling us Iraq is not the enemy - Iran is the enemy."
According to Wilkerson, different sources in Israel explained to senior US officials that "if you are going to destabilize the balance of power, do it against the main enemy."

Wilkerson noted that the main point of their communications was not that the US should immediately attack Iran, but that "it should not be distracted by Iraq and Saddam Hussein" from a focus on the threat from Iran.

The message was conveyed by a large number of senior Israeli officials to their American counterparts, including political figures and intelligence sources.

According to Wilkerson, the Israeli advice was apparently triggered by reports reaching Israeli officials in December 2001 that the Bush administration was beginning serious planning for an attack on Iraq.

Journalist Bob Woodward revealed in Plan of Attack that on December 1, 2001, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld had ordered the Central Command chief, General Tommy Franks, to come up with the first formal briefing on a new war plan for Iraq on December 4.

Soon after Israeli officials got wind of that planning, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon asked for a meeting with Bush primarily to discuss US intentions to invade Iraq.

In the weeks preceding Sharon's meeting with Bush on February 7, 2002, a procession of Israeli officials conveyed the message to the US administration that Iran represented a greater threat, according to a Washington Post report on the eve of the meeting.

This is the first confirmation of the issue on the part of such a senior American official, following many hints heard on the Israeli side. The remarks were made in contrast to attempts by Israel's opposers in the US to blame Jerusalem for the American invasion of Iraq.

dorinP
2007-09-01 18:35:47

Re: Un dosar care nu mai e ultrasecret...

poate da poate nu :)

Este putin probabil insa ca administratia Bush sa fi neglijat "sfaturile" primite via AIPAC sau canalele "oficioase" israeliene

In opinia mea este doar o maniera de a camufla gramada de rahat in ciuda mirosului pestilential urmarind in acelas timp sa incurajeze ghiolbanul intr-o nou aventura ceva mai acana in Iran.

Din pacate, internetul nu este inca controlat asa cum ar trebui sa fie si oricine are curiozitatea poate sa-si reimprospateze evenimentele din perioada premergatoare "plimbarii" in Irak.

"In private conversation with Hagel and many other members of Congress, the former general leaves no doubt that the greatest U.S. assistance to Israel would be to overthrow Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime. That view is widely shared inside the Bush administration, and is a major reason why U.S. forces today are assembling for war.

Robert Novak: Sharon's war?
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/26/column.novak.opinion.sharon/

sau

"Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose," Ranaan Gissin, a senior Sharon adviser told the Associated Press yesterday. "It will only give Saddam Hussein more of an opportunity to accelerate his programme of weapons of mass destruction."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,776112,00.html

Nice try,
Dorin

La 2007-09-01 11:06:02, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> Israel warned us against Iraq invasion, US official says.
>
> Chief of staff of former secretary of state reveals that large number
> of senior Israeli officials warned Bush administration that invasion
> of Iraq would be destabilizing to region. 'The Israelis were telling
> us Iraq is not the enemy - Iran is the enemy,' he says.
>
> WASHINGTON – A senior official at the US State Department has
> said that political, diplomatic and military officials in Israel
> warned the United States against invading Iraq even before the
> American forces entered the country, the Inter Press Service news
> agency reported over the weekend.
[...]

Virgil Ciuca
2007-09-02 01:32:15

Oare cati ?



Oare cati dintre actualii cetateni ai Israelului au lucrat sau lucreaza pentru marile servicii de spionaj ale lumii, si in marea lor majoritate cu aprobarea si sub controlul Mosadului...?

Virgil Ciuca

evreu mandru din israel
2007-09-02 11:00:32

Re: Oare cati ?

99%...

La 2007-09-02 01:32:15, Virgil Ciuca a scris:

>
>
> Oare cati dintre actualii cetateni ai Israelului au lucrat sau
> lucreaza pentru marile servicii de spionaj ale lumii, si in marea lor
> majoritate cu aprobarea si sub controlul Mosadului...?
>
> Virgil Ciuca
>

aron1
2007-09-02 12:14:12

Re: Oare cati ?

La 2007-09-02 01:32:15, Virgil Ciuca a scris:

>
>
> Oare cati dintre actualii cetateni ai Israelului au lucrat sau
> lucreaza pentru marile servicii de spionaj ale lumii, si in marea lor
> majoritate cu aprobarea si sub controlul Mosadului...?
>
> Virgil Ciuca
>
Oare citi dintre actualii cetateni de origine romana sin Europa si Statelor Unite (care astazi au acces la internet ) nu au fost informatori ai Securitatii, si poate mai sint ?

zwilling carol
2007-09-02 13:07:27

Re: Oare cati ?

La 2007-09-02 01:32:15, Virgil Ciuca a scris:

>
>
> Oare cati dintre actualii cetateni ai Israelului au lucrat sau
> lucreaza pentru marile servicii de spionaj ale lumii, si in marea lor
> majoritate cu aprobarea si sub controlul Mosadului...?
>
> Virgil Ciuca
>

Ce conteaza numarul????
Din totdeauna omenirea si-a aparat interesele tarii in care traeste indiferent cu cine si in ce fel a colaborat cu serviciile secrete de orice "fel"...iar tradatorii si marsavii nu au lipsit si nici nu lipsesc nici in prezent.......
Numai bine .......

Virgil Ciuca
2007-09-02 16:49:38

Re: Oare cati ?


99% numai ! putin foarte putin!

Daca ar trebui sa ne luam dupa parerea unora decare au scris mai acum o luna prin Gardianul sau Nationalul, nu-mi mai amintesc bine ziarul, procentul ar fi de mie la suta fara posibilitatea de a protesta!

Dar asa este lumea, fiecare om cu propria lui interpretare! Nu procentul conteaza ci mai drgraba "motivul" si aici crede eu se afla cheia intregii probleme! Sa exemplific : cu ani in urma circula o vorba ca Romania ar plati oricat pentru as schimba nu teritoriul ci pozitia geografica !...adica vecinii...
prea erau mai toti slavi de origine!
explicatii sunt insa mai multe printre care si "capacitatea " de ati modela intentiile si in functie de drepturile si interesele vecinilor....ori acesta capacitate nu este la indemana oricui si mai ales nu este oricand...

Din pacate pentru ei sunt oameni, popoare sau grupuri etnice care s-au cocotat pe un butoi cu pulbere si voit sau din gresala singuri si sigur vor aprinde fitilul...problema va fi cati dintre ei vor fi in preajma butoiului in momentul exploziei..

Virgil Ciuca





La 2007-09-02 11:00:32, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> 99%...
>
> La 2007-09-02 01:32:15, Virgil Ciuca a scris:
>
> >
> >
> > Oare cati dintre actualii cetateni ai Israelului au lucrat sau
> > lucreaza pentru marile servicii de spionaj ale lumii, si in marea lor
> > majoritate cu aprobarea si sub controlul Mosadului...?
> >
> > Virgil Ciuca
> >
>
>


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