Editorial

Egypt Terror Suspect Faces Trial in Italy


By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
Sun Dec 11, 1:43 PM ET



Italian police were listening as the man identified as an Egyptian radical shouted with joy while watching a video of the beheading of American Nicholas Berg by his al-Qaida captors.

"Come nearer, watch closely, this is the politics you have to follow, the politics of the sword," he advised another man as Berg's screams rang out.

"Go to hell, enemy of God, kill him, kill him, cut it well, cut off his head," he said.

Authorities say the statements recorded from phone taps and microphones show that Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, a 34-year-old Egyptian facing trial in Milan next month on terrorism charges, preached a radical form of Islam and the need to carry out holy war against Western elements.

The trial is considered one of Europe's major terrorist prosecutions in recent years. Ahmed is not only accused of terrorist crimes in Italy and of having links to cells across Europe, but he also is considered one of the masterminds of the March 11, 2004, train bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people and wounded more than 1,600.

Guido Guella, Ahmed's lawyer, said his client maintains his innocence and claims he "never had any role in any association with terrorist aims." He said the Egyptian also says he is not the person speaking on the tapes.

But prosecutors say the statements, which appear in a report prepared by Italian anti-terrorism police, are proof of Ahmed's extremist beliefs. He has been indicted on terrorism charges for allegedly planning an attack in an undisclosed location.

In the May 28, 2004, conversation about the Berg tape, Ahmed's co-defendant, 22-year-old Egyptian Yahia Ragheh — described by authorities as a would-be suicide bomber — questions Ahmed's assertions.

"It's not a sin?" he asks.

"Who said this?" Ahmed replied. "It's never a sin ... because the cause is never a sin ... Are you scared? Are you shocked?"

"No no, I think it is a sin, I only think it's a sin," Ragheh said.

"When you enter a movement it's never a sin because there's a cause, the Islamic cause, all in hell ... everyone finishes in hell, everyone. For those who wound Islam the end is this."

Ragheh's lawyer, Roberta Ligotti, did not return calls from The Associated Press seeking comment.

Berg, a 26-year-old entrepreneur, went missing April 10, 2004, after leaving his Baghdad hotel. The video that surfaced shows him in an orange jumpsuit being held by captors, then being beheaded by a man who some U.S. officials believe to be terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

The taped conversations also reveal Ahmed's alleged connection to the Madrid bombings, authorities say.

"There is something, there is something I can't hide from you," he said, lowering his voice in a conversation overheard in a Milan apartment two months after the attacks. "The Madrid attack is my project and those who died as martyrs are my dearest friends."

Spanish officials have described Ahmed as one of the March 11 ringleaders. The Italian interior minister Giuseppe Pisanu said after his arrest that Ahmed was "probably among the principal authors" of the Madrid bombings and that he was "preparing other attacks."

Officials have not said where Ahmed, who was trained in the use of explosives in the Egyptian army, was planning the attacks.

Italy handed Ahmed over to Spain last December for interrogation in the Madrid bombings and Spanish authorities sent him back to Italy in April.

Spanish Judge Juan del Olmo has filed provisional charges against him of mass murder and terrorism. It is not known when indictments may be handed down in Spain.

In the arrest warrant, del Olmo said that while living in Madrid the Egyptian "managed to take control of a small group of Arab followers, all of them with extremist Islamic ideology, supporters of jihad and Osama bin Laden."

The Italian police report alleges that Ahmed used tapes, cell phones and computers as recruitment tools in his travels across Europe. He is also accused of giving lessons on falsifying documents, computers and the need for caution in using communications.

Italian prosecutors cite the case as an example of cooperation among European law enforcement agencies, often seen as unable to coordinate their investigations because of differing laws and traditions.

"Real cooperation is the only instrument to successfully battle international terrorism," said prosecutor Maurizio Romanelli.

They say that investigations in Italy, Spain, Germany, France and Belgium have turned up evidence that a dangerous group of Islamic militants have moved into Western Europe to recruit insurgents to fight in Iraq.

La pirnaie cu el !



La 2005-12-12 16:14:50, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Egypt Terror Suspect Faces Trial in Italy
>
>
> By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
> Sun Dec 11, 1:43 PM ET
>
>
>
> Italian police were listening as the man identified as an Egyptian
> radical shouted with joy while watching a video of the beheading of
> American Nicholas Berg by his al-Qaida captors.
>
> "Come nearer, watch closely, this is the politics you have to
> follow, the politics of the sword," he advised another man as
> Berg's screams rang out.
>
> "Go to hell, enemy of God, kill him, kill him, cut it well, cut
> off his head," he said.
>
> Authorities say the statements recorded from phone taps and
> microphones show that Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, a 34-year-old Egyptian
> facing trial in Milan next month on terrorism charges, preached a
> radical form of Islam and the need to carry out holy war against
> Western elements.
>
> The trial is considered one of Europe's major terrorist prosecutions
> in recent years. Ahmed is not only accused of terrorist crimes in
> Italy and of having links to cells across Europe, but he also is
> considered one of the masterminds of the March 11, 2004, train
> bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people and wounded more than
> 1,600.
>
> Guido Guella, Ahmed's lawyer, said his client maintains his innocence
> and claims he "never had any role in any association with
> terrorist aims." He said the Egyptian also says he is not the
> person speaking on the tapes.
>
> But prosecutors say the statements, which appear in a report prepared
> by Italian anti-terrorism police, are proof of Ahmed's extremist
> beliefs. He has been indicted on terrorism charges for allegedly
> planning an attack in an undisclosed location.
>
> In the May 28, 2004, conversation about the Berg tape, Ahmed's
> co-defendant, 22-year-old Egyptian Yahia Ragheh — described
> by authorities as a would-be suicide bomber — questions
> Ahmed's assertions.
>
> "It's not a sin?" he asks.
>
> "Who said this?" Ahmed replied. "It's never a sin ...
> because the cause is never a sin ... Are you scared? Are you
> shocked?"
>
> "No no, I think it is a sin, I only think it's a sin,"
> Ragheh said.
>
> "When you enter a movement it's never a sin because there's a
> cause, the Islamic cause, all in hell ... everyone finishes in hell,
> everyone. For those who wound Islam the end is this."
>
> Ragheh's lawyer, Roberta Ligotti, did not return calls from The
> Associated Press seeking comment.
>
> Berg, a 26-year-old entrepreneur, went missing April 10, 2004, after
> leaving his Baghdad hotel. The video that surfaced shows him in an
> orange jumpsuit being held by captors, then being beheaded by a man
> who some U.S. officials believe to be terror leader Abu Musab
> al-Zarqawi.
>
> The taped conversations also reveal Ahmed's alleged connection to the
> Madrid bombings, authorities say.
>
> "There is something, there is something I can't hide from
> you," he said, lowering his voice in a conversation overheard in
> a Milan apartment two months after the attacks. "The Madrid
> attack is my project and those who died as martyrs are my dearest
> friends."
>
> Spanish officials have described Ahmed as one of the March 11
> ringleaders. The Italian interior minister Giuseppe Pisanu said after
> his arrest that Ahmed was "probably among the principal
> authors" of the Madrid bombings and that he was "preparing
> other attacks."
>
> Officials have not said where Ahmed, who was trained in the use of
> explosives in the Egyptian army, was planning the attacks.
>
> Italy handed Ahmed over to Spain last December for interrogation in
> the Madrid bombings and Spanish authorities sent him back to Italy in
> April.
>
> Spanish Judge Juan del Olmo has filed provisional charges against him
> of mass murder and terrorism. It is not known when indictments may be
> handed down in Spain.
>
> In the arrest warrant, del Olmo said that while living in Madrid the
> Egyptian "managed to take control of a small group of Arab
> followers, all of them with extremist Islamic ideology, supporters of
> jihad and Osama bin Laden."
>
> The Italian police report alleges that Ahmed used tapes, cell phones
> and computers as recruitment tools in his travels across Europe. He
> is also accused of giving lessons on falsifying documents, computers
> and the need for caution in using communications.
>
> Italian prosecutors cite the case as an example of cooperation among
> European law enforcement agencies, often seen as unable to coordinate
> their investigations because of differing laws and traditions.
>
> "Real cooperation is the only instrument to successfully battle
> international terrorism," said prosecutor Maurizio Romanelli.
>
> They say that investigations in Italy, Spain, Germany, France and
> Belgium have turned up evidence that a dangerous group of Islamic
> militants have moved into Western Europe to recruit insurgents to
> fight in Iraq.
>
>
>

cand va spun ca in Ita e nenorocire cu atatea cuiburi si bande si tot ce mai vreti in care misuna tot soiul de fanatici, ma luati drept vizionara !!!

Are proces, s-ar putea sa- "salveze" iar magistratura roshie, cu au facut cu marocanul Daki (expuls sambata trecuta!), dar de nu e condamnat, in Italia e clar ca nu ramine: EXPULSIA il asteapta.

Sa-i vedeti pe stangisti cum se trag de cap, cu drepturile omului, ce grijulii sunt sa le procure "crema" avocatilor la asasinii astia ! Daca n-ar fr de ris, e de plins de imbecilitatea si INCONSTIENTA stangistilor italieni !

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La 2005-12-12 16:14:50, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Egypt Terror Suspect Faces Trial in Italy
> 
> 
> By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
> Sun Dec 11, 1:43 PM ET

> Italian police were listening as the man identified as an Egyptian
> radical shouted with joy while watching a video of the beheading of
> American Nicholas Berg by his al-Qaida captors.
> 
> "Come nearer, watch closely, this is the politics you have to
> follow, the politics of the sword," he advised another man as
> Berg's screams rang out.
> 
> "Go to hell, enemy of God, kill him, kill him, cut it well, cut
> off his head," he said.
> 
> Authorities say the statements recorded from phone taps and
> microphones show that Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, a 34-year-old Egyptian
> facing trial in Milan next month on terrorism charges, preached a
> radical form of Islam and the need to carry out holy war against
> Western elements.
> 
> The trial is considered one of Europe's major terrorist prosecutions
> in recent years. Ahmed is not only accused of terrorist crimes in
> Italy and of having links to cells across Europe, but he also is
> considered one of the masterminds of the March 11, 2004, train
> bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people and wounded more than
> 1,600.
> 
> Guido Guella, Ahmed's lawyer, said his client maintains his innocence
> and claims he "never had any role in any association with
> terrorist aims." He said the Egyptian also says he is not the
> person speaking on the tapes.
> 
> But prosecutors say the statements, which appear in a report prepared
> by Italian anti-terrorism police, are proof of Ahmed's extremist
> beliefs. He has been indicted on terrorism charges for allegedly
> planning an attack in an undisclosed location.
> 
> In the May 28, 2004, conversation about the Berg tape, Ahmed's
> co-defendant, 22-year-old Egyptian Yahia Ragheh — described
> by authorities as a would-be suicide bomber — questions
> Ahmed's assertions.
> 
> "It's not a sin?" he asks.
> 
> "Who said this?" Ahmed replied. "It's never a sin ...
> because the cause is never a sin ... Are you scared? Are you
> shocked?"
> 
> "No no, I think it is a sin, I only think it's a sin,"
> Ragheh said.
> 
> "When you enter a movement it's never a sin because there's a
> cause, the Islamic cause, all in hell ... everyone finishes in hell,
> everyone. For those who wound Islam the end is this."
> 
> Ragheh's lawyer, Roberta Ligotti, did not return calls from The
> Associated Press seeking comment.
> 
> Berg, a 26-year-old entrepreneur, went missing April 10, 2004, after
> leaving his Baghdad hotel. The video that surfaced shows him in an
> orange jumpsuit being held by captors, then being beheaded by a man
> who some U.S. officials believe to be terror leader Abu Musab
> al-Zarqawi.
> 
> The taped conversations also reveal Ahmed's alleged connection to the
> Madrid bombings, authorities say.
> 
> "There is something, there is something I can't hide from
> you," he said, lowering his voice in a conversation overheard in
> a Milan apartment two months after the attacks. "The Madrid
> attack is my project and those who died as martyrs are my dearest
> friends."
> 
> Spanish officials have described Ahmed as one of the March 11
> ringleaders. The Italian interior minister Giuseppe Pisanu said after
> his arrest that Ahmed was "probably among the principal
> authors" of the Madrid bombings and that he was "preparing
> other attacks."
> 
> Officials have not said where Ahmed, who was trained in the use of
> explosives in the Egyptian army, was planning the attacks.
> 
> Italy handed Ahmed over to Spain last December for interrogation in
> the Madrid bombings and Spanish authorities sent him back to Italy in
> April.
> 
> Spanish Judge Juan del Olmo has filed provisional charges against him
> of mass murder and terrorism. It is not known when indictments may be
> handed down in Spain.
> 
> In the arrest warrant, del Olmo said that while living in Madrid the
> Egyptian "managed to take control of a small group of Arab
> followers, all of them with extremist Islamic ideology, supporters of
> jihad and Osama bin Laden."
> 
> The Italian police report alleges that Ahmed used tapes, cell phones
> and computers as recruitment tools in his travels across Europe. He
> is also accused of giving lessons on falsifying documents, computers
> and the need for caution in using communications.
> 
> Italian prosecutors cite the case as an example of cooperation among
> European law enforcement agencies, often seen as unable to coordinate
> their investigations because of differing laws and traditions.
> 
> "Real cooperation is the only instrument to successfully battle
> international terrorism," said prosecutor Maurizio Romanelli.
> 
> They say that investigations in Italy, Spain, Germany, France and
> Belgium have turned up evidence that a dangerous group of Islamic
> militants have moved into Western Europe to recruit insurgents to
> fight in Iraq.
> 
> 
> 

La 2005-12-12 16:40:41, Giuseppe Cocos a scris:

nu in puscariile italiene, unde sa primeasca constant vizitele politicienilor stangisti, radicali, verzi si alti pestriti... ba ca nu are meniu musulman... ba ca-l trage curentul de la geam... ba ca saltaua e prea dura...

Cam asta e scenariul cu tembelii prinsi, ba daca tot insista "tovarasii" magistratii amici ii mai dau si un permis de iesire, "per buona condotta", adica pt. ca fanaticul s-a comportat bine in puscarie.

De parca in puscarie, cum naiba sa se poata comporta "rau", ca n-are cu ce !
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> La pirnaie cu el !
> 
> 
> 
> La 2005-12-12 16:14:50, Mos Grigore a scris:
> 
> > Egypt Terror Suspect Faces Trial in Italy
> >
> >
> > By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
> > Sun Dec 11, 1:43 PM ET
> >
> >
> >
> > Italian police were listening as the man identified as an Egyptian
> > radical shouted with joy while watching a video of the beheading of
> > American Nicholas Berg by his al-Qaida captors.
> >
> > "Come nearer, watch closely, this is the politics you have to
> > follow, the politics of the sword," he advised another man as
> > Berg's screams rang out.
> >
> > "Go to hell, enemy of God, kill him, kill him, cut it well, cut
> > off his head," he said.
> >
> > Authorities say the statements recorded from phone taps and
> > microphones show that Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed, a 34-year-old Egyptian
> > facing trial in Milan next month on terrorism charges, preached a
> > radical form of Islam and the need to carry out holy war against
> > Western elements.
> >
> > The trial is considered one of Europe's major terrorist prosecutions
> > in recent years. Ahmed is not only accused of terrorist crimes in
> > Italy and of having links to cells across Europe, but he also is
> > considered one of the masterminds of the March 11, 2004, train
> > bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people and wounded more than
> > 1,600.
> >
> > Guido Guella, Ahmed's lawyer, said his client maintains his innocence
> > and claims he "never had any role in any association with
> > terrorist aims." He said the Egyptian also says he is not the
> > person speaking on the tapes.
> >
> > But prosecutors say the statements, which appear in a report prepared
> > by Italian anti-terrorism police, are proof of Ahmed's extremist
> > beliefs. He has been indicted on terrorism charges for allegedly
> > planning an attack in an undisclosed location.
> >
> > In the May 28, 2004, conversation about the Berg tape, Ahmed's
> > co-defendant, 22-year-old Egyptian Yahia Ragheh — described
> > by authorities as a would-be suicide bomber — questions
> > Ahmed's assertions.
> >
> > "It's not a sin?" he asks.
> >
> > "Who said this?" Ahmed replied. "It's never a sin ...
> > because the cause is never a sin ... Are you scared? Are you
> > shocked?"
> >
> > "No no, I think it is a sin, I only think it's a sin,"
> > Ragheh said.
> >
> > "When you enter a movement it's never a sin because there's a
> > cause, the Islamic cause, all in hell ... everyone finishes in hell,
> > everyone. For those who wound Islam the end is this."
> >
> > Ragheh's lawyer, Roberta Ligotti, did not return calls from The
> > Associated Press seeking comment.
> >
> > Berg, a 26-year-old entrepreneur, went missing April 10, 2004, after
> > leaving his Baghdad hotel. The video that surfaced shows him in an
> > orange jumpsuit being held by captors, then being beheaded by a man
> > who some U.S. officials believe to be terror leader Abu Musab
> > al-Zarqawi.
> >
> > The taped conversations also reveal Ahmed's alleged connection to the
> > Madrid bombings, authorities say.
> >
> > "There is something, there is something I can't hide from
> > you," he said, lowering his voice in a conversation overheard in
> > a Milan apartment two months after the attacks. "The Madrid
> > attack is my project and those who died as martyrs are my dearest
> > friends."
> >
> > Spanish officials have described Ahmed as one of the March 11
> > ringleaders. The Italian interior minister Giuseppe Pisanu said after
> > his arrest that Ahmed was "probably among the principal
> > authors" of the Madrid bombings and that he was "preparing
> > other attacks."
> >
> > Officials have not said where Ahmed, who was trained in the use of
> > explosives in the Egyptian army, was planning the attacks.
> >
> > Italy handed Ahmed over to Spain last December for interrogation in
> > the Madrid bombings and Spanish authorities sent him back to Italy in
> > April.
> >
> > Spanish Judge Juan del Olmo has filed provisional charges against him
> > of mass murder and terrorism. It is not known when indictments may be
> > handed down in Spain.
> >
> > In the arrest warrant, del Olmo said that while living in Madrid the
> > Egyptian "managed to take control of a small group of Arab
> > followers, all of them with extremist Islamic ideology, supporters of
> > jihad and Osama bin Laden."
> >
> > The Italian police report alleges that Ahmed used tapes, cell phones
> > and computers as recruitment tools in his travels across Europe. He
> > is also accused of giving lessons on falsifying documents, computers
> > and the need for caution in using communications.
> >
> > Italian prosecutors cite the case as an example of cooperation among
> > European law enforcement agencies, often seen as unable to coordinate
> > their investigations because of differing laws and traditions.
> >
> > "Real cooperation is the only instrument to successfully battle
> > international terrorism," said prosecutor Maurizio Romanelli.
> >
> > They say that investigations in Italy, Spain, Germany, France and
> > Belgium have turned up evidence that a dangerous group of Islamic
> > militants have moved into Western Europe to recruit insurgents to
> > fight in Iraq.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

La 2005-12-12 19:13:48, Oriana a scris:

> cand va spun ca in Ita e nenorocire cu atatea cuiburi si bande si tot
> ce mai vreti in care misuna tot soiul de fanatici, ma luati drept
> vizionara !!!
> 
> Are proces, s-ar putea sa- "salveze" iar magistratura
> roshie, cu au facut cu marocanul Daki (expuls sambata trecuta!), dar
> de nu e condamnat, in Italia e clar ca nu ramine: EXPULSIA il
> asteapta.
> 
> Sa-i vedeti pe stangisti cum se trag de cap, cu drepturile omului, ce
> grijulii sunt sa le procure "crema" avocatilor la asasinii
> astia ! Daca n-ar fr de ris, e de plins de imbecilitatea si
> INCONSTIENTA stangistilor italieni !
>

Tot Moscova-i finanteaza? Sau micul popor chinez?

La 2005-12-12 20:55:09, spaiu' a scris:

> La 2005-12-12 19:13:48, Oriana a scris:
> 
> > cand va spun ca in Ita e nenorocire cu atatea cuiburi si bande si tot
> > ce mai vreti in care misuna tot soiul de fanatici, ma luati drept
> > vizionara !!!
> > 
> > Are proces, s-ar putea sa- "salveze" iar magistratura
> > roshie, cu au facut cu marocanul Daki (expuls sambata trecuta!), dar
> > de nu e condamnat, in Italia e clar ca nu ramine: EXPULSIA il
> > asteapta.
> > 
> > Sa-i vedeti pe stangisti cum se trag de cap, cu drepturile omului, ce
> > grijulii sunt sa le procure "crema" avocatilor la asasinii
> > astia ! Daca n-ar fr de ris, e de plins de imbecilitatea si
> > INCONSTIENTA stangistilor italieni !
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tot Moscova-i finanteaza? Sau micul popor chinez?

Care Moscova ? se duc ei personal in Golf si vin cu buzunarele pline - moscheea a devenit "pile" pt. orice clandestin, pt. un loc de munca, bani imprumut, casa in chirie, etc - numai ca omul sa vina in moschee, asa-i trag de nas pe multi, care nici la ei acasa nu pasheau vreodata in moschee.

Pe de alta parte, primariile rosh, ii ajuta cum nu-i ajuta nici pe italieni - am vazut case, vilute date strainilor, in loc familiilor tinere or batranilor cu pensii minime, plus stiu ca sunt sctititi de anumitre taxe, pe care italieni - TOTI - le platesc, ba le mai acorda si cate vreun magazin, vreo fabrica goala ca sa aiba unde se ruga, fara nici sa intrebe pe proprietari.

Nu mai reuseste nimeni sa-i mai scoata, iar daca, in extremis proprietarul invinge in tribunal, stii ce fac ? protesteaza cu stangistii si cei de mai sus, in fata autoritatilor, isi astern pe jos si stau acolo, in drum, cica... sa se roage.
E o bataie de joc ce fac fanaticii pe aici- din pacate e majoritatea, pt ca minoranta este de tot respectul.
>