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Ratacitul
2005-11-15 23:32:30

Aproape ca incep sa cred ca decizia de amanare, eventual revocare a aderarii la UE a fost luata

Fapte:

-Olli Rehn vorbeste despre "nu vom renunta sa recomandam amanarea..."

-In Ro, toata lumea se preocupa de orice altceva, cu exceptia aderarii

-UE face anchete fantoma desi e clar ca vaca (,) ca simpla aterizare a unui avion CIA pe un aeroport romanesc (daca a avut loc) nu angajeaza cu nimic responsabilitatea Romaniei, orice s-ar petrece la bordul acelui avion (pentru cine nu cunoaste, avionul este teritoriu al statului care l-a inmatriculat), iar CIA nu raporteaza SRI operatiunile sale.

Ba, tu iar ai palaria pe stanga!

Mos Grigore
2005-11-15 23:53:56

They Jumped the GUN, as usual!

Spain probes alleged CIA flights

Tue Nov 15,10:16 AM ET



A judge is investigating allegations the CIA used a Spanish airport as a base for transporting Islamic terrorism suspects, Spanish Interior Minister Jose Antonio Alonso said on Tuesday.

Several Spanish newspapers on Tuesday reported allegations that the U.S. intelligence agency had used the airport of Son Sant Joan on the Mediterranean island of Mallorca as a base of operations from early 2004 to early 2005.

The Spanish government had no knowledge of the alleged flights but a judge was investigating them, Alonso told Spanish television channel Telecinco.

"If it were confirmed that this is true, we would be looking at very serious, intolerable deeds because they break the basic rules of treating people in a democratic legal and political system," he said.

Defense Minister Jose Bono said there was no evidence, so he would not make accusations against Washington.

"We have no evidence, we have no proof, so I am not prepared to put a friendly, allied government on the spot on the basis of supposition and rumor," he told reporters.

The Washington Post reported this month that the CIA had been holding and interrogating al Qaeda captives at a secret facility in eastern Europe as part of a covert prison system established after the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Spain's El Pais newspaper quoted government sources on Tuesday as saying that Spain's intelligence service had asked the CIA before the summer to avoid using Spanish territory for transferring prisoners who had been detained illegally.

COMPLAINT OVER KIDNAPPING

The Mallorca flights were brought to light earlier this year by a local newspaper, the Diario de Mallorca, and led a group of local residents to file a legal complaint with the Spanish authorities over alleged illegal detention, kidnapping and torture, El Pais newspaper reported.

As a result of the complaint, prosecutors asked the police to carry out an investigation, El Pais reported.

This found that four planes had made at least 10 stops at the Mallorca airport between January 2004 and January 2005.

One flight arrived from Algiers on January 22, 2004 and took off next day for Macedonia. There, it "allegedly" picked up a German man, Khaled el-Masri, and took him to a prison in Kabul, according to El Pais.

Lebanese-born Masri says he was kidnapped by U.S. agents in Macedonia and held for months in an Afghan jail before being freed in Albania. He is close to filing a civil suit in a U.S. court to claim compensation, his lawyer said in Germany last week.

Other flights went to and from Libya and from Bucharest to Washington, El Pais said.

The Spanish police report reached no conclusions about the purpose of the flights. A local judge decided the case was outside his jurisdiction and forwarded it to Spain's High Court, El Pais said.

A U.S. Embassy spokesman had no comment.

European Union Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini said in Strasbourg on Monday there was no evidence any EU state had housed secret CIA detention centers, but any EU country that has done so could face sanctions.

Human Rights Watch has identified Romania and EU member Poland as two countries possibly operating such jails. Romania is a candidate to join the EU. Both have assured the European Commission that there are no CIA jails on their territory.

Oriana
2005-11-16 02:03:23

Aproape ca incep sa cred ca decizia de amanare, eventual revocare a aderarii la UE a fost luata

nu se amana nici o aderare, ai sa vezi, tot ce apare in pressa despre fanatici luati "de ureche" si dusi unde trebuie, e normala administratie. Chestiile astea ar trebui sa ramana rezervate, nu sa fie "aruncate in arena" publicului, ca sa-l alarmeze de pomana, se stie bine ca Europa e plina de baze de tembeli cu planuri "explozive".

La 2005-11-15 23:32:30, Ratacitul a scris:

> Fapte:
> 
> -Olli Rehn vorbeste despre "nu vom renunta sa recomandam
> amanarea..."
> 
> -In Ro, toata lumea se preocupa de orice altceva, cu exceptia
> aderarii
> 
> -UE face anchete fantoma desi e clar ca vaca (,) ca simpla aterizare a
> unui avion CIA pe un aeroport romanesc (daca a avut loc) nu angajeaza
> cu nimic responsabilitatea Romaniei, orice s-ar petrece la bordul
> acelui avion (pentru cine nu cunoaste, avionul este teritoriu al
> statului care l-a inmatriculat), iar CIA nu raporteaza SRI
> operatiunile sale.
> 
> Ba, tu iar ai palaria pe stanga!
> 

cosor ion
2005-11-16 02:31:10

Re: Aproape ca incep sa cred ca decizia de amanare, eventual revocare a aderarii la UE a fost luata

La 2005-11-15 23:32:30, Ratacitul a scris:

> Fapte:
> 
> -Olli Rehn vorbeste despre "nu vom renunta sa recomandam
> amanarea..."
> 
> -In Ro, toata lumea se preocupa de orice altceva, cu exceptia
> aderarii
> 
> -UE face anchete fantoma desi e clar ca vaca (,) ca simpla aterizare a
> unui avion CIA pe un aeroport romanesc (daca a avut loc) nu angajeaza
> cu nimic responsabilitatea Romaniei, orice s-ar petrece la bordul
> acelui avion (pentru cine nu cunoaste, avionul este teritoriu al
> statului care l-a inmatriculat), iar CIA nu raporteaza SRI
> operatiunile sale.
> 
> Ba, tu iar ai palaria pe stanga!
> 
cineva nu doreste intrarea noastra in UE.iata cum incep asa zisi prieteni sa ne acuze,dar este stiut ca orice nava care aterizeaza pe un aeroport,uneori fortuit si din care nu coboara nimeni,nu poate constitui o proba in acuzarea noastra.sa dovedeasca UE si cu toata presa indignata ca pe teritoriul nostru am avut celule CIA cu teroristi pentru a fi anchetati,care poate trebuiau executati in aer,adica pe teritoriul lui D-zeu