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roy
2005-10-14 23:25:19

Iar avem in ce inveli pestii...

Mai ce plictiseala! Iarasi Arafat....

Mai bine sa va spun ceva nou: Israelul si-a rezolvat problema apei si (pe bune) s-ar putea chiar sa exporte in viitor. Dar asta e mai putzin senzatzional decat AIDS-ul - gripa - scarlatina lui Arafat.

Oriana
2005-10-15 01:52:55

Iar avem in ce inveli pestii...

sunt perplexa, ieri a fost atentatul acela terorist la institutiile unei mici republici ruse, cu 100 de morti: nizba, nici un rand pe aici
Azi a fost un taraboi la Amsterdam, inconjurat si izolat Parlamentul, scos copiii din scoli, 7 teroristi arestasti, impuscaturi, panica: iar nizaba, nu vad un rand.

Care scarlatina lui Arahat, a murit de bolala de ... placere.
Apa de vanzare? De unde?

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La 2005-10-14 23:25:19, roy a scris:

> Mai ce plictiseala! Iarasi Arafat....
> 
> Mai bine sa va spun ceva nou: Israelul si-a rezolvat problema apei si
> (pe bune) s-ar putea chiar sa exporte in viitor. Dar asta e mai
> putzin senzatzional decat AIDS-ul - gripa - scarlatina lui Arafat.
> 

Oriana
2005-10-15 01:54:48

paralele lui Arafat... ce enigma...

de asta mi-ar place sa aud, unde sunt capitalele alea grase ?

traktorist
2005-10-15 04:06:54

Re: Iar avem in ce inveli pestii...

> 
> Care scarlatina lui Arahat, a murit de bolala de ... placere.
> Apa de vanzare? De unde?
> 

Cei care nu traiesc in desert nu stiu ce valoare are apa !
Ca si in Biblie zice : dati un cana de apa la un insetat ! O cana cu apa ? Ce mare facere ?! Dar ia sa fii in desert, minca-ti-as !
Pt ca apa e asa de pretioasa, beau tot mai putzina ;-))))))
Mi-e frica sa nu ruginesc si sa fac apoi copii cu paru' roshu ....

traktorist
2005-10-15 04:07:50

Re: paralele lui Arafat... ce enigma...

La 2005-10-15 01:54:48, Oriana a scris:

> de asta mi-ar place sa aud, unde sunt capitalele alea grase ?
> 
In batrini se zice ca ....
" banii stringatorului , pe mina cheltuitorului !

Mos Grigore
2005-10-15 04:43:42

Ia uite Roy-ule la protejatul tau!

Nobel winner is (pause) Harold Pinter

By Tom Hundley Tribune foreign correspondent
Fri Oct 14, 9:40 AM ET



Harold Pinter, Britain's most celebrated playwright and a bitter critic of the Bush administration, was the surprise choice Thursday for the 2005 Nobel Prize for Literature.

In addition to writing more than two dozen plays, Pinter, who turned 75 Monday, has taken turns as an actor, director and screenwriter. His best-known works are "The Caretaker," "The Homecoming" and "Betrayal," dark dramas in which the real action seems to be taking place beneath the surface of words. He also wrote the screenplay for "The French Lieutenant's Woman."

Earlier this year, after being treated for throat cancer, Pinter hinted he had written his last play and would devote his energies to poetry and political activism.

In its award citation Thursday, the Swedish Academy said, "Pinter restored theater to its basic elements: an enclosed space and unpredictable dialogue, where people are at the mercy of each other and pretense crumbles."

The award committee also noted his efforts in promoting human rights.

As a playwright, Pinter was at the height of his powers in the 1960s and '70s. Long-overlooked by the Nobel jury for literature's most prestigious prize, he was not on anyone's short list for this year's prize. The front-runners were believed to be the Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk and the Syrian poet Ali Ahmad Said, known as Adonis.

Coming on the heels of last week's decision to award the Nobel Peace Prize to Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency who has clashed with the Bush administration over Iraq and Iran, the choice of Pinter seemed to be another calculated slap at the Americans.

Addressing a peace rally in London's Hyde Park on the eve of the Iraq war, Pinter denounced the United States as a "monster out of control."

"The country is run by a bunch of criminal lunatics, with [Prime Minister Tony] Blair as their hired Christian thug. The planned attack on Iraq is an act of premeditated mass murder," he said that day.

A few months later, during a poetry reading at the National Theater, Pinter said: "The U.S. is really beyond reason now. It is beyond our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany."

While saving his most vituperative words for President Bush, he also blamed the American people:

"What objections have there been in the U.S. to Guantanamo Bay? At this very moment there are 700 people chained, padlocked, handcuffed, hooded and treated like animals. It is actually a concentration camp," he said.

"I haven't heard anything about the U.S. population saying, `We can't do this; we are Americans.' Nobody gives a damn," he said.

Longtime critic of U.S. policies

Pinter's animus toward the U.S. predates the Bush administration. He was an outspoken critic of former President Ronald Reagan's foreign policy and once in 1985, while traveling with American playwright Arthur Miller, he was thrown out of a U.S. Embassy function for denouncing the Turkish government's human-rights violations.

Speaking to reporters outside his London home Thursday, Pinter said he was "overwhelmed" by the honor of winning the Nobel.

"I had absolutely no idea," he said. "I've been writing plays for about 50 years but I am also very politically engaged and I am not at all sure to what extent that factor had anything to do with this award."

Born in London's East End, Pinter was the son of Jewish immigrants who ran a dressmaker's shop. When World War II broke out, he and other children from that heavily bombed district of London were separated from their parents and evacuated to the countryside, an experience that would traumatize the boy and color his writing as an adult.

After returning to London and discovering a talent for acting, he was accepted into the prestigious Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts. But he dropped out after two years and then risked a jail sentence when he refused military service. He was fined instead.

Pinter's first full-length play, "The Birthday Party," is widely admired today, but it was a flop when it was first produced in the West End, closing after only a week.

His second play, "The Caretaker," secured his reputation as a serious artist. The play is a spare psychological drama in which two brothers, Mick and Ashton, invite a manipulative stranger into their household and soon find themselves in a delusional struggle for power and space.

The play regarded by many as Pinter's masterpiece is "The Homecoming." It tells the story of Teddy, a professor at an American college, who returns with his wife to the London home of his unhappy working-class family. In this work, Pinter perfected the style of pregnant pauses and the poetry of ordinary language, a style that today is described as "Pinteresque."

A well-known choice

Although the choice of Pinter will ruffle a few feathers, especially in the U.S., it was positively mainstream compared with last year's selection of Elfriede Jelinek, an obscure Austrian writer whose novels explore a bleak landscape of sexual violence, pornography and emotional emptiness.

One member of the Nobel jury resigned this week after complaining that the selection of Jelinek had resulted in "irreparable damage" to the literary award's reputation.

Pinter's selection was greeted with enthusiasm by the leading lights of British theater.

"It's wholly deserved, and I'm completely thrilled. As a writer, Harold has been unswerving for 50 years," said playwright Tom Stoppard.

David Hare, whose most recent play, "Stuff Happens," was a scathing critique of the Bush administration, called Pinter's selection a "brilliant choice."

"Not only has Harold Pinter written some of the outstanding plays of his time, he has also blown fresh air into the musty attic of conventional English literature by insisting that everything he does has a public and political dimension," Hare said.

Despite his criticism of the British government--he once refused a knighthood--Pinter has expressed a passion for England, its countryside and especially for cricket, which he described as "the greatest thing that God ever created on Earth--certainly greater than sex, although sex isn't too bad either."

Pinter has been married to biographer Antonia Fraser since 1980. His first marriage to actress Vivien Merchant collapsed in a highly publicized scandal in 1977 after he began an affair with Fraser.

Phil
2005-10-15 05:09:40

Re: Iar avem in ce inveli pestii...-Oriana, ce e aia "nizaba", nu e iar un cap in gura? ndc

La 2005-10-15 04:06:54, traktorist a scris:

> 
> > 
> > Care scarlatina lui Arahat, a murit de bolala de ... placere.
> > Apa de vanzare? De unde?
> > 
> 
> Cei care nu traiesc in desert nu stiu ce valoare are apa
> !
> Ca si in Biblie zice : dati un cana de apa la un insetat
>  ! O cana cu apa ? Ce mare facere ?! Dar ia sa fii
> in desert, minca-ti-as !
> Pt ca apa e asa de pretioasa, beau tot mai putzina
> ;-))))))
> Mi-e frica sa nu ruginesc si sa fac apoi copii cu paru'
> roshu ....
> 

smardoi
2005-10-15 05:16:30

Re: paralele lui Arafat... ce enigma...

un sa fie! ii toaca freo metresa prin Italia sau mai stiu eu pa une! nu i asa printeso?! ca stii tu bine de ce nu are ursu coada si tractor combustebel!

roy
2005-10-15 07:56:05

Re: Ia uite Roy-ule la protejatul tau!

Mosule,

Din pacate, premiile Nobel de Pace si Literatura s-au transformat de mult in acte politice si incetul cu incetul isi vor pierde importantza. E greu de intzeles alegerea premiantzilor: Arafat (un terorist), Carter (un impotent), Baradei (ce naiba a facut?), Annan si organizatzia lui (care are nevoie urgenta de oxigen, altfel va dispare).

BTW, Roy se pronuntza in ebraica cu accentul pe Y (pentru cei care il utilizeaza pentru : hai roiul... :-).
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La 2005-10-15 04:43:42, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Nobel winner is (pause) Harold Pinter
> 
> By Tom Hundley Tribune foreign correspondent
> Fri Oct 14, 9:40 AM ET
> 
> 
> 
> Harold Pinter, Britain's most celebrated playwright and a bitter
> critic of the Bush administration, was the surprise choice Thursday
> for the 2005 Nobel Prize for Literature.
> 
> In addition to writing more than two dozen plays, Pinter, who turned
> 75 Monday, has taken turns as an actor, director and screenwriter.
> His best-known works are "The Caretaker," "The
> Homecoming" and "Betrayal," dark dramas in which the
> real action seems to be taking place beneath the surface of words. He
> also wrote the screenplay for "The French Lieutenant's
> Woman."
> 
> Earlier this year, after being treated for throat cancer, Pinter
> hinted he had written his last play and would devote his energies to
> poetry and political activism.
> 
> In its award citation Thursday, the Swedish Academy said, "Pinter
> restored theater to its basic elements: an enclosed space and
> unpredictable dialogue, where people are at the mercy of each other
> and pretense crumbles."
> 
> The award committee also noted his efforts in promoting human rights.
> 
> As a playwright, Pinter was at the height of his powers in the 1960s
> and '70s. Long-overlooked by the Nobel jury for literature's most
> prestigious prize, he was not on anyone's short list for this year's
> prize. The front-runners were believed to be the Turkish writer Orhan
> Pamuk and the Syrian poet Ali Ahmad Said, known as Adonis.
> 
> Coming on the heels of last week's decision to award the Nobel Peace
> Prize to Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International
> Atomic Energy Agency who has clashed with the Bush administration
> over Iraq and Iran, the choice of Pinter seemed to be another
> calculated slap at the Americans.
> 
> Addressing a peace rally in London's Hyde Park on the eve of the Iraq
> war, Pinter denounced the United States as a "monster out of
> control."
> 
> "The country is run by a bunch of criminal lunatics, with [Prime
> Minister Tony] Blair as their hired Christian thug. The planned
> attack on Iraq is an act of premeditated mass murder," he said
> that day.
> 
> A few months later, during a poetry reading at the National Theater,
> Pinter said: "The U.S. is really beyond reason now. It is beyond
> our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are
> prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany."
> 
> While saving his most vituperative words for President Bush, he also
> blamed the American people:
> 
> "What objections have there been in the U.S. to Guantanamo Bay?
> At this very moment there are 700 people chained, padlocked,
> handcuffed, hooded and treated like animals. It is actually a
> concentration camp," he said.
> 
> "I haven't heard anything about the U.S. population saying, `We
> can't do this; we are Americans.' Nobody gives a damn," he
> said.
> 
> Longtime critic of U.S. policies
> 
> Pinter's animus toward the U.S. predates the Bush administration. He
> was an outspoken critic of former President Ronald Reagan's foreign
> policy and once in 1985, while traveling with American playwright
> Arthur Miller, he was thrown out of a U.S. Embassy function for
> denouncing the Turkish government's human-rights violations.
> 
> Speaking to reporters outside his London home Thursday, Pinter said he
> was "overwhelmed" by the honor of winning the Nobel.
> 
> "I had absolutely no idea," he said. "I've been writing
> plays for about 50 years but I am also very politically engaged and I
> am not at all sure to what extent that factor had anything to do with
> this award."
> 
> Born in London's East End, Pinter was the son of Jewish immigrants who
> ran a dressmaker's shop. When World War II broke out, he and other
> children from that heavily bombed district of London were separated
> from their parents and evacuated to the countryside, an experience
> that would traumatize the boy and color his writing as an adult.
> 
> After returning to London and discovering a talent for acting, he was
> accepted into the prestigious Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts. But he
> dropped out after two years and then risked a jail sentence when he
> refused military service. He was fined instead.
> 
> Pinter's first full-length play, "The Birthday Party," is
> widely admired today, but it was a flop when it was first produced in
> the West End, closing after only a week.
> 
> His second play, "The Caretaker," secured his reputation as
> a serious artist. The play is a spare psychological drama in which
> two brothers, Mick and Ashton, invite a manipulative stranger into
> their household and soon find themselves in a delusional struggle for
> power and space.
> 
> The play regarded by many as Pinter's masterpiece is "The
> Homecoming." It tells the story of Teddy, a professor at an
> American college, who returns with his wife to the London home of his
> unhappy working-class family. In this work, Pinter perfected the style
> of pregnant pauses and the poetry of ordinary language, a style that
> today is described as "Pinteresque."
> 
> A well-known choice
> 
> Although the choice of Pinter will ruffle a few feathers, especially
> in the U.S., it was positively mainstream compared with last year's
> selection of Elfriede Jelinek, an obscure Austrian writer whose
> novels explore a bleak landscape of sexual violence, pornography and
> emotional emptiness.
> 
> One member of the Nobel jury resigned this week after complaining that
> the selection of Jelinek had resulted in "irreparable
> damage" to the literary award's reputation.
> 
> Pinter's selection was greeted with enthusiasm by the leading lights
> of British theater.
> 
> "It's wholly deserved, and I'm completely thrilled. As a writer,
> Harold has been unswerving for 50 years," said playwright Tom
> Stoppard.
> 
> David Hare, whose most recent play, "Stuff Happens," was a
> scathing critique of the Bush administration, called Pinter's
> selection a "brilliant choice."
> 
> "Not only has Harold Pinter written some of the outstanding plays
> of his time, he has also blown fresh air into the musty attic of
> conventional English literature by insisting that everything he does
> has a public and political dimension," Hare said.
> 
> Despite his criticism of the British government--he once refused a
> knighthood--Pinter has expressed a passion for England, its
> countryside and especially for cricket, which he described as
> "the greatest thing that God ever created on Earth--certainly
> greater than sex, although sex isn't too bad either."
> 
> Pinter has been married to biographer Antonia Fraser since 1980. His
> first marriage to actress Vivien Merchant collapsed in a highly
> publicized scandal in 1977 after he began an affair with Fraser.
> 
> 
> 

geek-a-contra
2005-10-15 08:19:43

HIV????

si cele 72 de (foste) fecioare ce spun?

sau inca n-o fi "foste"?

zwilling carol
2005-10-15 10:59:29

Misterul mortii lui Arafat

a starnit multe ecouri in intreaga lume dupa publicarea raportului medical intocmit la spitalul francez unde Yasser Arafat si-a petrecut ultimele zile de viata.Raporul nu sustine in mod lipsit de orice echivoc cauza mortii lui Arafat,dar mentioneaza trei posibilitati:
otravire,AIDS sau o infectie.In felul acesta ramine in continuare nedezlegat misterul in jurul cauzelor decesului fostului presedinte al Autoritatii Palestiniene,un mister mentinut de conducerea palestiniana in mod deliberat nu numai in privinta sfirsitului raisului dar si a altor momente obscure din viata lui.
Un exemplu este acela al locului unde s-a nascut Arafat.Unii biografi ai lui,dupa cercetari amanutite,au scris ca s-a nascut la Cairo,in 1929,in ciuda pretentiilor sale ca s-ar fi nascut la Ierusalim.A fost o minciuna care a urmarit sa-i intareasca mitul de simbol al luptei palestinienilor,condusa de un refugiat care a fost alungat chipurile din tara lui de evrei.
Moartea lui Arafat, in noienmbrie,anul trecut,face ca lucrurile sa fie si mai complictae, nu numai deoarece tabloul prezentat de medici este incomplet,dar si pentru ca este in interesul Autoritatii palestiniene sa-l mentina ca un simbol.Daca,asa cum sugereaza raportul spitalului francez,Arafat ar fi fost contaminat cu AIDS cu putin timp inaintea mortii sale,cum s-ar fi reflectat asta in imaginea lui de parinte fondator al natiunii palestiniene?In schimb, era mai confortabil daca s-ar fi dovedit ca Arafat a murit otravit de Israel,intrucit intr-un asemenea caz,ar fi fost prezentat drept primul din martirii palestinieni.
Si cu toate acestea,desi raportul medical este neconcludent,deoarece-un lucru care poate sa fie pus serios la indoiala-medicii fracezi nu au fost capabili sa determine cauza mortii sale,publicarea lui ridica unele intrtebari:ce s-a intimplat cu rezultatele analizelor medicale care i s-au facut in perioada cand se afla inca la Mukata,la Ramalla?De ce sotia lui,Suha,a refuzat efectuarea unei autopsii considerata vitala de medicii din Paris??Si dece nu exista nici un document referitor la analiza singelui pentru a se stabili daca a fost bolnav de AIDS???
Raportul medical este autentic,dar multe informatii continua sa fie mentinute in secret la cererea conducerii superioare palestiniene si a familiei lui Aafat.In vizita facuta recent la Ierusalim,ministrul francez de externe,Philippe Douste-Blaszy,care a detinut portofoliul sanatatii cand Arafat a fost adus la spitalul Percy,a spus ca problema cauzelor mortii acestuia sunt "prea sensibile"pentru a fi discutate in mas-media.Medicul personal al lui Arafat,dr.Asrah al-Kurdi,a declarat intr-un interviu ca presedintele a fost infectat cu virusul HIV cu putin inaintea mortii sale dupa ce a fost injectat"cu o seringa sau alt instrument taios"pentru a ascunde otrava care nu a fost gasita in testele efectuate la Paris.Cine a facut acest lucru el nu a spus.
Este indoielnic ca misterul mortii lui Arafat va fi vreodata elucidat.Dar disparitia lui convine tuturor.
Conducereii actuale palestiniene care celebreaza primul ei mare succes:retragerea israelienilor din Gaza,dar si celei israeliene pentru care iesirea de pe scena a lui Yasser a semnificat si disparitia teroristului palestinian"numarul unu".......
Sfirsit de saptamana buna
Carol

Seherezada
2005-10-15 11:36:37

Re: Iar avem in ce inveli pestii...

pentru cei care nu citesc, insa vorbesc ... , aduc la atentie ca despre Nalcik, s-a scris in ziua si ieri (Nalcik luat cu asalt) si azi .

Iar Tesu intr-adevar ar avea de scris despre subiecte mult mai interesante, insa cel mai bine ar face sa nu scrie deloc.



La 2005-10-15 01:52:55, Oriana a scris:

> sunt perplexa, ieri a fost atentatul acela terorist la institutiile
> unei mici republici ruse, cu 100 de morti: nizba, nici un rand pe
> aici
> Azi a fost un taraboi la Amsterdam, inconjurat si izolat Parlamentul,
> scos copiii din scoli, 7 teroristi arestasti, impuscaturi, panica: iar
> nizaba, nu vad un rand.
> 
> Care scarlatina lui Arahat, a murit de bolala de ... placere.
> Apa de vanzare? De unde?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> La 2005-10-14 23:25:19, roy a scris:
> 
> > Mai ce plictiseala! Iarasi Arafat....
> > 
> > Mai bine sa va spun ceva nou: Israelul si-a rezolvat problema apei si
> > (pe bune) s-ar putea chiar sa exporte in viitor. Dar asta e mai
> > putzin senzatzional decat AIDS-ul - gripa - scarlatina lui Arafat.
> > 
> 
> 

CHIORU
2005-10-15 12:07:25

babalacii au un obicei....sa moara.

asa e cu babalacii - mor.
n ati stiut ??
sau credeati ca ala o sa traiasca pana la 1000 de ani ?

roy
2005-10-15 12:39:09

Re: Iar avem in ce inveli pestii...

Domnu' Tesu isi vinde aceasi marfa de cateva ori. Ma mir ca nu se plictiseste de prostiile astea.
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La 2005-10-15 11:36:37, Seherezada a scris:

> 
> pentru cei care nu citesc, insa vorbesc ... , aduc la atentie ca
> despre Nalcik, s-a scris in ziua si ieri (Nalcik luat cu asalt) si
> azi .
> 
> Iar Tesu intr-adevar ar avea de scris despre subiecte mult mai
> interesante, insa cel mai bine ar face sa nu scrie deloc.
> 
> 
> 
> La 2005-10-15 01:52:55, Oriana a scris:
> 
> > sunt perplexa, ieri a fost atentatul acela terorist la institutiile
> > unei mici republici ruse, cu 100 de morti: nizba, nici un rand pe
> > aici
> > Azi a fost un taraboi la Amsterdam, inconjurat si izolat Parlamentul,
> > scos copiii din scoli, 7 teroristi arestasti, impuscaturi, panica: iar
> > nizaba, nu vad un rand.
> > 
> > Care scarlatina lui Arahat, a murit de bolala de ... placere.
> > Apa de vanzare? De unde?
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > La 2005-10-14 23:25:19, roy a scris:
> > 
> > > Mai ce plictiseala! Iarasi Arafat....
> > > 
> > > Mai bine sa va spun ceva nou: Israelul si-a rezolvat problema apei si
> > > (pe bune) s-ar putea chiar sa exporte in viitor. Dar asta e mai
> > > putzin senzatzional decat AIDS-ul - gripa - scarlatina lui Arafat.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

traktorist
2005-10-15 13:42:57

Cred ca ai numarat rau !

La 2005-10-15 12:07:25, CHIORU a scris:

> asa e cu babalacii - mor.
> n ati stiut ??
> sau credeati ca ala o sa traiasca pana la 1000 de ani ?
> 
Sint mai multe piei de miel decit de oaie. Sa ai tu bani in buzunar pe citi tineri a omorit Arafat saui i-a trimis la moarte ! Potzi face Revelioane numai la Sinaia !

Oriana
2005-10-15 14:13:13

Oriana, ce e aia "nizaba", nu e iar un cap in gura? ndc

spui nizba cand vrei sa zic ca nu vezi nimic, iok, zero - e un termen gergal folosit de studentime, ziaristi, tv, comicari, sketches, spots publicitare
Ai ramas in urma cu tactica Depardieu, inca nu ti-a trecut? Da' ce-ai pus deasupra, compresse de floricele ... nu ma uita?
Ciao !


La 2005-10-15 05:09:40, Phil a scris:

> La 2005-10-15 04:06:54, traktorist a scris:
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Care scarlatina lui Arahat, a murit de bolala de ... placere.
> > > Apa de vanzare? De unde?
> > > 
> > 
> > Cei care nu traiesc in desert nu stiu ce valoare are apa
> > !
> > Ca si in Biblie zice : dati un cana de apa la un insetat
> >  ! O cana cu apa ? Ce mare facere ?! Dar ia sa fii
> > in desert, minca-ti-as !
> > Pt ca apa e asa de pretioasa, beau tot mai putzina
> > ;-))))))
> > Mi-e frica sa nu ruginesc si sa fac apoi copii cu paru'
> > roshu ....
> > 
> 
> 

Oriana
2005-10-15 14:24:56

a gift for Shehe ...

uite Harold al tau, ce balbaieli... debiteaza, pariez ca habar n-aveai de astea, nici ieri
"The country is run by a bunch of criminal lunatics, with [Prime Minister Tony] Blair as their hired Christian thug".
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La 2005-10-15 04:43:42, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Nobel winner is (pause) Harold Pinter
> 
> By Tom Hundley Tribune foreign correspondent
> Fri Oct 14, 9:40 AM ET
> 
> 
> 
> Harold Pinter, Britain's most celebrated playwright and a bitter
> critic of the Bush administration, was the surprise choice Thursday
> for the 2005 Nobel Prize for Literature.
> 
> In addition to writing more than two dozen plays, Pinter, who turned
> 75 Monday, has taken turns as an actor, director and screenwriter.
> His best-known works are "The Caretaker," "The
> Homecoming" and "Betrayal," dark dramas in which the
> real action seems to be taking place beneath the surface of words. He
> also wrote the screenplay for "The French Lieutenant's
> Woman."
> 
> Earlier this year, after being treated for throat cancer, Pinter
> hinted he had written his last play and would devote his energies to
> poetry and political activism.
> 
> In its award citation Thursday, the Swedish Academy said, "Pinter
> restored theater to its basic elements: an enclosed space and
> unpredictable dialogue, where people are at the mercy of each other
> and pretense crumbles."
> 
> The award committee also noted his efforts in promoting human rights.
> 
> As a playwright, Pinter was at the height of his powers in the 1960s
> and '70s. Long-overlooked by the Nobel jury for literature's most
> prestigious prize, he was not on anyone's short list for this year's
> prize. The front-runners were believed to be the Turkish writer Orhan
> Pamuk and the Syrian poet Ali Ahmad Said, known as Adonis.
> 
> Coming on the heels of last week's decision to award the Nobel Peace
> Prize to Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International
> Atomic Energy Agency who has clashed with the Bush administration
> over Iraq and Iran, the choice of Pinter seemed to be another
> calculated slap at the Americans.
> 
> Addressing a peace rally in London's Hyde Park on the eve of the Iraq
> war, Pinter denounced the United States as a "monster out of
> control."
> 
> "The country is run by a bunch of criminal lunatics, with [Prime
> Minister Tony] Blair as their hired Christian thug. The planned
> attack on Iraq is an act of premeditated mass murder," he said
> that day.
> 
> A few months later, during a poetry reading at the National Theater,
> Pinter said: "The U.S. is really beyond reason now. It is beyond
> our imagining to know what they are going to do next and what they are
> prepared to do. There is only one comparison: Nazi Germany."
> 
> While saving his most vituperative words for President Bush, he also
> blamed the American people:
> 
> "What objections have there been in the U.S. to Guantanamo Bay?
> At this very moment there are 700 people chained, padlocked,
> handcuffed, hooded and treated like animals. It is actually a
> concentration camp," he said.
> 
> "I haven't heard anything about the U.S. population saying, `We
> can't do this; we are Americans.' Nobody gives a damn," he
> said.
> 
> Longtime critic of U.S. policies
> 
> Pinter's animus toward the U.S. predates the Bush administration. He
> was an outspoken critic of former President Ronald Reagan's foreign
> policy and once in 1985, while traveling with American playwright
> Arthur Miller, he was thrown out of a U.S. Embassy function for
> denouncing the Turkish government's human-rights violations.
> 
> Speaking to reporters outside his London home Thursday, Pinter said he
> was "overwhelmed" by the honor of winning the Nobel.
> 
> "I had absolutely no idea," he said. "I've been writing
> plays for about 50 years but I am also very politically engaged and I
> am not at all sure to what extent that factor had anything to do with
> this award."
> 
> Born in London's East End, Pinter was the son of Jewish immigrants who
> ran a dressmaker's shop. When World War II broke out, he and other
> children from that heavily bombed district of London were separated
> from their parents and evacuated to the countryside, an experience
> that would traumatize the boy and color his writing as an adult.
> 
> After returning to London and discovering a talent for acting, he was
> accepted into the prestigious Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts. But he
> dropped out after two years and then risked a jail sentence when he
> refused military service. He was fined instead.
> 
> Pinter's first full-length play, "The Birthday Party," is
> widely admired today, but it was a flop when it was first produced in
> the West End, closing after only a week.
> 
> His second play, "The Caretaker," secured his reputation as
> a serious artist. The play is a spare psychological drama in which
> two brothers, Mick and Ashton, invite a manipulative stranger into
> their household and soon find themselves in a delusional struggle for
> power and space.
> 
> The play regarded by many as Pinter's masterpiece is "The
> Homecoming." It tells the story of Teddy, a professor at an
> American college, who returns with his wife to the London home of his
> unhappy working-class family. In this work, Pinter perfected the style
> of pregnant pauses and the poetry of ordinary language, a style that
> today is described as "Pinteresque."
> 
> A well-known choice
> 
> Although the choice of Pinter will ruffle a few feathers, especially
> in the U.S., it was positively mainstream compared with last year's
> selection of Elfriede Jelinek, an obscure Austrian writer whose
> novels explore a bleak landscape of sexual violence, pornography and
> emotional emptiness.
> 
> One member of the Nobel jury resigned this week after complaining that
> the selection of Jelinek had resulted in "irreparable
> damage" to the literary award's reputation.
> 
> Pinter's selection was greeted with enthusiasm by the leading lights
> of British theater.
> 
> "It's wholly deserved, and I'm completely thrilled. As a writer,
> Harold has been unswerving for 50 years," said playwright Tom
> Stoppard.
> 
> David Hare, whose most recent play, "Stuff Happens," was a
> scathing critique of the Bush administration, called Pinter's
> selection a "brilliant choice."
> 
> "Not only has Harold Pinter written some of the outstanding plays
> of his time, he has also blown fresh air into the musty attic of
> conventional English literature by insisting that everything he does
> has a public and political dimension," Hare said.
> 
> Despite his criticism of the British government--he once refused a
> knighthood--Pinter has expressed a passion for England, its
> countryside and especially for cricket, which he described as
> "the greatest thing that God ever created on Earth--certainly
> greater than sex, although sex isn't too bad either."
> 
> Pinter has been married to biographer Antonia Fraser since 1980. His
> first marriage to actress Vivien Merchant collapsed in a highly
> publicized scandal in 1977 after he began an affair with Fraser.
> 
> 
> 

Oriana
2005-10-15 14:32:32

Misterul mortii lui Arafat, il cunoaste numai Suha, nevasta-sa...

cand o sa-si scrie memoriile... o sa aflam (iar) ca era vorba de Aids, cum presupun multi, multi.
Este cert ca Arahat s-a nascut in Egipt, unul din parinti e egiptean de origine, deci nu era palestinian doc.
Daca stai si te gandesti, cam acelas business il face si alt palestinian, decapitatorul Al Zarkawi (din satul cisiordanian Zarka) care s-a dus la Baghdad sa faca un califat, poate mai stii, s-ar putea ca apoi sa-si... aminteasca ca de fapt era nascut si el pe undeva pe la Takrit si ca o fi discendentul stiu eu cui.
Au o fantezii dictatorii astia... il bat pe Harold balbaitul lui Shehe !

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La 2005-10-15 10:59:29, zwilling carol a scris:

> a starnit multe ecouri in intreaga lume dupa publicarea raportului
> medical intocmit la spitalul francez unde Yasser Arafat si-a petrecut
> ultimele zile de viata.Raporul nu sustine in mod lipsit de orice
> echivoc cauza mortii lui Arafat,dar mentioneaza trei posibilitati:
> otravire,AIDS sau o infectie.In felul acesta ramine in continuare
> nedezlegat misterul in jurul cauzelor decesului fostului presedinte
> al Autoritatii Palestiniene,un mister mentinut de conducerea
> palestiniana in mod deliberat nu numai in privinta sfirsitului
> raisului dar si a altor momente obscure din viata lui.
> Un exemplu este acela al locului unde s-a nascut Arafat.Unii biografi
> ai lui,dupa cercetari amanutite,au scris ca s-a nascut la Cairo,in
> 1929,in ciuda pretentiilor sale ca s-ar fi nascut la Ierusalim.A fost
> o minciuna care a urmarit sa-i intareasca mitul de simbol al luptei
> palestinienilor,condusa de un refugiat care a fost alungat chipurile
> din tara lui de evrei.
> Moartea lui Arafat, in noienmbrie,anul trecut,face ca lucrurile sa fie
> si mai complictae, nu numai deoarece tabloul prezentat de medici este
> incomplet,dar si pentru ca este in interesul Autoritatii palestiniene
> sa-l mentina ca un simbol.Daca,asa cum sugereaza raportul spitalului
> francez,Arafat ar fi fost contaminat cu AIDS cu putin timp inaintea
> mortii sale,cum s-ar fi reflectat asta in imaginea lui de parinte
> fondator al natiunii palestiniene?In schimb, era mai confortabil daca
> s-ar fi dovedit ca Arafat a murit otravit de Israel,intrucit intr-un
> asemenea caz,ar fi fost prezentat drept primul din martirii
> palestinieni.
> Si cu toate acestea,desi raportul medical este
> neconcludent,deoarece-un lucru care poate sa fie pus serios la
> indoiala-medicii fracezi nu au fost capabili sa determine cauza
> mortii sale,publicarea lui ridica unele intrtebari:ce s-a intimplat
> cu rezultatele analizelor medicale care i s-au facut in perioada cand
> se afla inca la Mukata,la Ramalla?De ce sotia lui,Suha,a refuzat
> efectuarea unei autopsii considerata vitala de medicii din Paris??Si
> dece nu exista nici un document referitor la analiza singelui pentru
> a se stabili daca a fost bolnav de AIDS???
> Raportul medical este autentic,dar multe informatii continua sa fie
> mentinute in secret la cererea conducerii superioare palestiniene si
> a familiei lui Aafat.In vizita facuta recent la Ierusalim,ministrul
> francez de externe,Philippe Douste-Blaszy,care a detinut portofoliul
> sanatatii cand Arafat a fost adus la spitalul Percy,a spus ca
> problema cauzelor mortii acestuia sunt "prea
> sensibile"pentru a fi discutate in mas-media.Medicul personal al
> lui Arafat,dr.Asrah al-Kurdi,a declarat intr-un interviu ca
> presedintele a fost infectat cu virusul HIV cu putin inaintea mortii
> sale dupa ce a fost injectat"cu o seringa sau alt instrument
> taios"pentru a ascunde otrava care nu a fost gasita in testele
> efectuate la Paris.Cine a facut acest lucru el nu a spus.
> Este indoielnic ca misterul mortii lui Arafat va fi vreodata
> elucidat.Dar disparitia lui convine tuturor.
> Conducereii actuale palestiniene care celebreaza primul ei mare
> succes:retragerea israelienilor din Gaza,dar si celei israeliene
> pentru care iesirea de pe scena a lui Yasser a semnificat si
> disparitia teroristului palestinian"numarul unu".......
> Sfirsit de saptamana buna
> Carol
> 

Oriana
2005-10-15 16:38:51

babalacii au un obicei....sa moara - in patul lor

numa ca Arahat a murit si din cauza paturilor... altora, si tot nu in patul lui, ci intr-un pat francais!

Tu cum scrii, tu nu-mi pari un tinerel... mai ai paharul ala cu proteza linga tine?
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La 2005-10-15 12:07:25, CHIORU a scris:

> asa e cu babalacii - mor.
> n ati stiut ??
> sau credeati ca ala o sa traiasca pana la 1000 de ani ?
> 

Oriana
2005-10-15 16:41:30

HIV???? si cele 72 de (foste) fecioare ce spun?

ce sa zica durduliile, ca-s satule... lucreaza non stop cu toti flacaii care le vin de peste tot.

Arahat nu merge la alea... poate cand s-o inventa cei 72 de... vergini, da!
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La 2005-10-15 08:19:43, geek-a-contra a scris:

> si cele 72 de (foste) fecioare ce spun?
> 
> sau inca n-o fi "foste"?
> 

Oriana
2005-10-15 17:04:36

smardoi din baltoi, "ii toaca freo metresa prin Italia"

ca sa vezi de ce esti tu un broscoi din baltoi: kua- kua - kuak

Ce aia metressa? Te-a invatat mamaia ta ?

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La 2005-10-15 05:16:30, smardoi a scris:

> un sa fie! ii toaca freo metresa prin Italia sau mai stiu eu pa une!
> nu i asa printeso?! ca stii tu bine de ce nu are ursu coada si
> tractor combustebel!
> 

Mos Grigore
2005-10-15 17:24:23

Zarkawi ramine nebarbierit!

Al Qaeda "barber" arrested in Iraq



U.S. forces in Iraq said on Saturday that they were holding a man suspected of acting as a barber to senior al Qaeda militants and helping them change their appearance to evade capture.

The man, named as Walid Muhammad Farhan Juwar al-Zubaydi -- "aka 'The Barber,"' the U.S. military statement said -- was arrested in Baghdad on September 24, the day before U.S. troops caught up with and killed a militant they described as the most senior al Qaeda leader in the capital, Abu Azzam.

"'The Barber's' duties included altering senior al Qaeda in Iraq members' appearances by dying hair color, altering hairstyles and changing facial hair in their efforts to evade capture," the military said in the statement.

Also detained on September 24 was Ibrahim Muhammad Subhi Khayri al-Rihawi, the military said, naming him also as Abu Khalil and calling him a "close associate" of Abu Azzam.

"(He) served as an executive assistant for the terrorist emir. He also acted as a banker for Azzam and stored the terrorist organization's funds so they would not be confiscated should Abu Azzam be killed or captured," it added.

Abu Azzam was described by U.S. commanders after his death as second only to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the Islamist network's organization in Iraq.

U.S. forces are keen to show progress in tracking down insurgents in Iraq after two and a half years in which the militants have inflicted thousands of casualties on Iraqi civilians and security forces and killed hundreds of Americans.

Mos Grigore
2005-10-15 17:25:53

Re: babalacii au un obicei....sa moara - in patul lor

La 2005-10-15 16:38:51, Oriana a scris:
> Tu cum scrii, tu nu-mi pari un tinerel... mai ai paharul ala cu
> proteza linga tine?
> ----------------------------
> 
>NU L-A BAUT PE TOT si-a inghitit si proteza! 
> 

Serp i Molot
2005-10-15 17:51:02

Re: Zarkawi ramine nebarbierit!

La 2005-10-15 17:24:23, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Al Qaeda "barber" arrested in Iraq
> 
> 
> 
> U.S. forces in Iraq said on Saturday that they were holding a man
> suspected of acting as a barber to senior al Qaeda militants and
> helping them change their appearance to evade capture.

===============

Ce zici dumneata in articol ? Tradu-l domnule in romaneste ca mai sint romani care nu pricep engleza .

Serp i Molot
2005-10-15 17:58:17

Re: Cred ca ai numarat rau !

La 2005-10-15 13:42:57, traktorist a scris:
Sa ai tu bani in buzunar pe citi tineri a
> omorit Arafat saui i-a trimis la moarte ! Potzi face
> Revelioane numai la Sinaia !


=============

te rog, baga lista cu toti tinerii pe care-i stii tu ca au fost "trimisi la moarte" de insusi Arafat.
Smecherie , Palestina e OCUPATA de israel , si atita timp cit va fi asa , nu va exista liniste acolo ! Capishi ? Datoria fiecaruia este sa lupte IMPOTRIVA OCUPANTULUI (indiferent de tara)
Dupa teoria ta, crezi ca Stefan cel Mare si Sfint poate fi acuzat ca si-a trimis "la moarte" pe razesi , luptind impotriva invadatorilor turci ...:)))
Take a break ! ;;

Oriana
2005-10-15 17:59:18

"Zarkawi ramine nebarbierit!" si "canta" barbierul asta... din Siviglia ?

in New York Times, scrisoarea strategiei de adoptat in Irak si nu numai, de la dr. egiptean Zawahiri catre decapitatorul Abu Mussab Al Zarkawi, o gasiti si pe situl oficial al lui John Negroponte - un document interceptat de barbierii... americani !

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La 2005-10-15 17:24:23, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Al Qaeda "barber" arrested in Iraq
> 
> 
> 
> U.S. forces in Iraq said on Saturday that they were holding a man
> suspected of acting as a barber to senior al Qaeda militants and
> helping them change their appearance to evade capture.
> 
> The man, named as Walid Muhammad Farhan Juwar al-Zubaydi -- "aka
> 'The Barber,"' the U.S. military statement said -- was arrested
> in Baghdad on September 24, the day before U.S. troops caught up with
> and killed a militant they described as the most senior al Qaeda
> leader in the capital, Abu Azzam.
> 
> "'The Barber's' duties included altering senior al Qaeda in Iraq
> members' appearances by dying hair color, altering hairstyles and
> changing facial hair in their efforts to evade capture," the
> military said in the statement.
> 
> Also detained on September 24 was Ibrahim Muhammad Subhi Khayri
> al-Rihawi, the military said, naming him also as Abu Khalil and
> calling him a "close associate" of Abu Azzam.
> 
> "(He) served as an executive assistant for the terrorist emir. He
> also acted as a banker for Azzam and stored the terrorist
> organization's funds so they would not be confiscated should Abu
> Azzam be killed or captured," it added.
> 
> Abu Azzam was described by U.S. commanders after his death as second
> only to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the Islamist network's organization
> in Iraq.
> 
> U.S. forces are keen to show progress in tracking down insurgents in
> Iraq after two and a half years in which the militants have inflicted
> thousands of casualties on Iraqi civilians and security forces and
> killed hundreds of Americans.
> 
> 
> 

Serp i Molot
2005-10-15 18:01:46

Re: babalacii au un obicei....sa moara - in patul lor

La 2005-10-15 16:38:51, Oriana a scris:

> numa ca Arahat a murit si din cauza paturilor... altora, si tot nu in
> patul lui, ci intr-un pat francais!


======================

.... iar tu vei muri printr-un boschete, asa cum traiesti ...:))))

Serp i Molot
2005-10-15 18:06:01

Re: Misterul mortii lui Arafat, il cunoaste numai Suha, nevasta-sa...

La 2005-10-15 14:32:32, Oriana a scris:

> cand o sa-si scrie memoriile... o sa aflam (iar) ca era vorba de Aids,
> cum presupun multi, multi.
> Este cert ca Arahat s-a nascut in Egipt, unul din parinti e egiptean
> de origine, deci nu era palestinian doc.
> Daca stai si te gandesti, cam acelas business il face si alt
> palestinian, decapitatorul Al Zarkawi (din satul cisiordanian Zarka)
> care s-a dus la Baghdad sa faca un califat, poate mai stii, s-ar
> putea ca apoi sa-si... aminteasca ca de fapt era nascut si el pe
> undeva pe la Takrit si ca o fi discendentul stiu eu cui.
> Au o fantezii dictatorii astia... il bat pe Harold balbaitul lui Shehe

=================
1) Arafat a fost otravit de Mossad
2) Arafat este si PALESTINIAN , nu numai EGIPTEAN , dar in primul rind ARAB.
3) spune-mi ce cauta trupele de ocupatie americane in Irak ..

Serp i Molot
2005-10-15 18:09:01

Re: "Zarkawi ramine nebarbierit!" si "canta" barbierul asta... din Siviglia ?

La 2005-10-15 17:59:18, Oriana a scris:

> in New York Times, scrisoarea strategiei de adoptat in Irak si nu
> numai, de la dr. egiptean Zawahiri catre decapitatorul Abu Mussab Al
> Zarkawi, o gasiti si pe situl oficial al lui John Negroponte - un
> document interceptat de barbierii... americani !

===================================

De unde stii tu ca-i adevarat ce ti se ofera pe site john negro ponte ?
facatura by CIA ! :))))

Nikon
2005-10-15 18:23:28

Re: babalacii au un obicei....sa moara - in patul lor

La 2005-10-15 18:01:46, Serp i Molot a scris:

> La 2005-10-15 16:38:51, Oriana a scris:
> 
> > numa ca Arahat a murit si din cauza paturilor... altora, si tot nu in
> > patul lui, ci intr-un pat francais!
> 
> 
> ======================
> 
> .... iar tu vei muri printr-un boschete, asa cum traiesti ...:))))
> 
Dupa cum comentezi se poate observa o gandire de araboi extremist si prost....

Oriana
2005-10-15 18:35:41

... iar tu vei muri printr-un boschete, asa cum traiesti ...

oh noooo, eu sunt Scufissa Rossie, ma tem, ma tem... de Lupu' LLau ... Sserpau!

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La 2005-10-15 18:01:46, Serp i Molot a scris:
La 2005-10-15 16:38:51, Oriana a scris:
> 
> > numa ca Arahat a murit si din cauza paturilor... altora, si tot nu in
> > patul lui, ci intr-un pat francais!
> 
> 
> ======================
> 
> .... iar tu vei muri printr-un boschete, asa cum traiesti ...:))))
> 

roy
2005-10-15 18:45:59

Re: Sarpele comunist

Ce-tzi trebuie tzie sa intzelegi articolul lui Mos Grigore? E acelasi lucu daca nu intzelegi, totul la tine e facatura CIA.

Tu intzelegi doar ruseste si ordine de la tovarasul Juganov.
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La 2005-10-15 18:09:01, Serp i Molot a scris:

> De unde stii tu ca-i adevarat ce ti se ofera pe site john negro ponte
> facatura by CIA ! :))))
> 

roy
2005-10-15 18:52:50

Re: Cred ca ai numarat rau !

Sfant, sfant, dar a dat iama si pe la vecinii lui, nu numai contra turcilor. Dar asta nu conteaza la tine.
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La 2005-10-15 17:58:17, Serp i Molot a scris:

> Datoria fiecaruia este
> sa lupte IMPOTRIVA OCUPANTULUI (indiferent de tara)
> Dupa teoria ta, crezi ca Stefan cel Mare si Sfint poate fi acuzat ca
> si-a trimis "la moarte" pe razesi , luptind impotriva
> invadatorilor turci ...:)))
> Take a break ! ;;
> 

roy
2005-10-15 18:55:04

Re: Misterul mortii lui Arafat, il cunoaste numai Suha, nevasta-sa...

Dar tu de unde stii ca a fost otravit de Mossad? Ai dovezi? Poate ni le prezintzi?
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La 2005-10-15 18:06:01, Serp i Molot a scris:

> La 2005-10-15 14:32:32, Oriana a scris:
> 
> > cand o sa-si scrie memoriile... o sa aflam (iar) ca era vorba de Aids,
> > cum presupun multi, multi.
> > Este cert ca Arahat s-a nascut in Egipt, unul din parinti e egiptean
> > de origine, deci nu era palestinian doc.
> > Daca stai si te gandesti, cam acelas business il face si alt
> > palestinian, decapitatorul Al Zarkawi (din satul cisiordanian Zarka)
> > care s-a dus la Baghdad sa faca un califat, poate mai stii, s-ar
> > putea ca apoi sa-si... aminteasca ca de fapt era nascut si el pe
> > undeva pe la Takrit si ca o fi discendentul stiu eu cui.
> > Au o fantezii dictatorii astia... il bat pe Harold balbaitul lui Shehe
> 
> =================
> 1) Arafat a fost otravit de Mossad
> 2) Arafat este si PALESTINIAN , nu numai EGIPTEAN , dar in primul rind
> ARAB.
> 3) spune-mi ce cauta trupele de ocupatie americane in Irak ..
> 

Oriana
2005-10-15 19:07:41

Serpoi, la Bocca della... hm, hm.... verita' ....

La 2005-10-15 18:06:01, Serp i Molot a scris:
La 2005-10-15 14:32:32, Oriana a scris:
cand o sa-si scrie memoriile... o sa aflam (iar) ca era vorba de Aids,
cum presupun multi, multi.
Este cert ca Arahat s-a nascut in Egipt, unul din parinti e egiptean

 =================
> 1) Arafat a fost otravit de Mossad ....................bla bla bla bla bla
> 2) Arafat este si PALESTINIAN , nu numai EGIPTEAN , dar in primul rind
> ARAB.....................................................................bla bla bla bla
> 3) spune-mi ce cauta trupele de ocupatie americane in Irak ...
..............................................Cauta Serpoi alde tine, ca sa-i bage-n sac.
 

b.d.
2005-10-15 19:21:42

Re: Cred ca ai numarat rau !

La 2005-10-15 17:58:17, Serp i Molot a scris:

> te rog, baga lista cu toti tinerii pe care-i stii tu ca au fost
> "trimisi la moarte" de insusi Arafat.
> Smecherie , Palestina e OCUPATA de israel , si atita timp cit va fi
> asa , nu va exista liniste acolo ! Capishi ? Datoria fiecaruia este
> sa lupte IMPOTRIVA OCUPANTULUI (indiferent de tara)
> Dupa teoria ta, crezi ca Stefan cel Mare si Sfint poate fi acuzat ca
> si-a trimis "la moarte" pe razesi , luptind impotriva
> invadatorilor turci ...:)))
> Take a break ! ;;
> ..........................................

In opinia ta, cand Arafat, in delir, indemna multimile cu slogane de
genul ''100.000 de shaid in drum spre Ierusalim'', cum se numeste ?
Le-a intoxicat creierele cu ideia ca doar prin varsare de sange evreiesc
vor primi o tzara. Si i-a indemnat sa se sinucida, da !
Dar nu pricep cum de a reusit sa-ti intoxice si tie, creierul...
Ca sa poti debita enormitati de genul ''Palestina e OCUPATA de israel'',
nu dovedeste decat ca esti intoxicat, intoxicat de ura !
De-ai fi vorbit de ''teritoriile ocupate'' dupa '67, ai mai fi dat dovada de
un gram de logica...Tu insa, nu recunosti dreptul la existenta al
Israelului. Plus dispretul, pe care-l manifesti scriind numele fara
majuscula. Cum ti-ar place daca-s scrie ''romania'' ???
Idolul tau Arafat, cu toate ca a murit, doctrina lui criminala mai exista.
Iata mai jos, un mic exemplu. Si sa nu-mi spui ca asta-i ''lupta contra
ocupantului'', asta-i crima, manipulare, lasitate !!!


Boy pressed to carry out attack

Palestinian boy detained by IDF threatened by terrorists, told he must carry out suicide bombing in Israel. Terror suspects forced youngster to write will, photographed him with weapons, Quran
Efrat weiss

IDF forces and Shin Bet agents detained a 14-year-old Palestinian at his Nablus home Tuesday night, after receiving an intelligence tip the boy was planning to carry out a suicide attack in Israel.

The story was cleared for publication Wednesday morning.
The boy initially refused to carry out the attack, but members of the Tanzim terror organization apparently pressured him and convinced
him to perpetrate the attack. Meanwhile, forces also arrested several other wanted terror suspects across the West Bank.
In his interrogation, the boy said a wanted Tanzim terror suspect from the Balata refugee camp in Nablus, Rabia Abu Leil, asked him to carry out the attack. The youngster attempted to evade the request to blow himself up by arguing he is an only child. However, the pressures on him continued, and another terror suspect, Jamal Tarawi, also joined in and attempted to convince the boy to strike in Israel.

The boy was then taken by the terrorists to an apartment where other terror suspects were staying. There, he was photographed with flags and weapons. After he begged to be let go, he was threatened with murder and told the terrorists will distribute a leaflet accusing him of collaboration with the IDF.

When he was asked to write a will, the youngster said he cannot read or write, but eventually wrote the will by himself. Later, he was photographed again, this time wearing a flak jacket and holding a gun and a Quran.
The boy was eventually released, and then turned to his relatives and asked that they help him avoid carrying out the attack.

Security officials said the latest incident is not isolated, and noted that since the beginning of the year they have seen a marked increase in the number of minors recruited for the purpose of carrying out attacks and military activity, despite the relative lull in violence.

The cynical phenomenon of using children is particularly used by Tanzim terror suspects in Nablus, the officials said.
(10.12.05, 11:15)

Oriana
2005-10-15 19:44:23

de pustiul asta kamikaze de 14 ani se vorbeste de cateva zile pe aici

cica renuntase, de frica si atunci instigatorii care-l pregatisera, l-au zmuls din familie ca sa-l ucida.

Serpoi e un caz clinic, disperat, cred ca nu exista antidot pt. virusul asta ...

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La 2005-10-15 19:21:42, b.d. a scris:
Boy pressed to carry out attack
> 
> Palestinian boy detained by IDF threatened by terrorists, told he must
> carry out suicide bombing in Israel. Terror suspects forced youngster
> to write will, photographed him with weapons, Quran
> Efrat weiss
> 
> IDF forces and Shin Bet agents detained a 14-year-old Palestinian at
> his Nablus home Tuesday night, after receiving an intelligence tip
> the boy was planning to carry out a suicide attack in Israel.
> 
> The story was cleared for publication Wednesday morning.
> The boy initially refused to carry out the attack, but members of the
> Tanzim terror organization apparently pressured him and convinced
> him to perpetrate the attack. Meanwhile, forces also arrested several
> other wanted terror suspects across the West Bank.
> In his interrogation, the boy said a wanted Tanzim terror suspect from
> the Balata refugee camp in Nablus, Rabia Abu Leil, asked him to carry
> out the attack. The youngster attempted to evade the request to blow
> himself up by arguing he is an only child. However, the pressures on
> him continued, and another terror suspect, Jamal Tarawi, also joined
> in and attempted to convince the boy to strike in Israel.
> 
> The boy was then taken by the terrorists to an apartment where other
> terror suspects were staying. There, he was photographed with flags
> and weapons. After he begged to be let go, he was threatened with
> murder and told the terrorists will distribute a leaflet accusing him
> of collaboration with the IDF.
> 
> When he was asked to write a will, the youngster said he cannot read
> or write, but eventually wrote the will by himself. Later, he was
> photographed again, this time wearing a flak jacket and holding a gun
> and a Quran.
> The boy was eventually released, and then turned to his relatives and
> asked that they help him avoid carrying out the attack.
> 
> Security officials said the latest incident is not isolated, and noted
> that since the beginning of the year they have seen a marked increase
> in the number of minors recruited for the purpose of carrying out
> attacks and military activity, despite the relative lull in violence.
> 
> 
> The cynical phenomenon of using children is particularly used by
> Tanzim terror suspects in Nablus, the officials said.
> (10.12.05, 11:15)
> 
> 
> 
> 

Serp i Molot
2005-10-15 20:18:49

B.D - sorry , but Palestina e Ocupata ! http://www.nkusa.org

B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai , evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
http://www.nkusa.org
In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei

Oriana
2005-10-15 20:46:22

"vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon" si cel de la Ceuta a lui Zapatero

unde soldatii spanioli, catolici - nu evrei - trag cu pusca in marocanii care sar gardul de granuta cu Spania. Uite n-am nici un sit spaniol la indemana, dar imaginile spaniole au facut inconjurul lumii, imposibil sa nu le fi vazut si tu !

Palestina, palestina... e in mintea ta, intreaba-i pe englezi cum stateau lucrurile pe acolo cand au ajuns ei - pietre, desert, zero lume, zero viata.
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La 2005-10-15 20:18:49, Serp i Molot a scris:

> B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te
> te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai ,
> evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
> http://www.nkusa.org
> In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor
> (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care
> ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei
> 

zwilling carol
2005-10-15 21:06:21

Re: B.D - sorry , but Palestina e Ocupata ! http://www.nkusa.org

La 2005-10-15 20:18:49, Serp i Molot a scris:

> B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te
> te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai ,
> evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
> http://www.nkusa.org
> In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor
> (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care
> ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei
> 

Domnule Sarpe cu gura de otrava.......D-na b.d. ti-a replicat inteligent si fara nicio indoiala ca are dreptate in ce te priveste.
Il acuzi inteligentule pe Sharon cu zidul despartitor?
Stii cumva de marele zid ce desparte la Gibraltar Africa(Maroc Tunis de Spania si Europa in general?Acest zid a fost saptatamana trecuta unul din subiectele cele mai fierbinti in ce priveste intrarea arabilor (zisi mucitori la munca)in Europa.......
Deferenta insa intre acest zid si al Israelului este:
Prin cel Israelian doresc sa intre ucigasii cu care iesti de aceasi speta
Cel din Gibraltar 150km....este a evita migratia africana.
Referitor la evreii religiosi ce sciu ce scriu sunt pleava Israelului si nu da nimeni in lume nici doi bani cat de-o ceapa.......
Te sfatuiesc sa numai apari ca te faci de rusine si dai dovada unei ure si unui atasament deosebit fata de ucigasii bine cunoscuti in lume care vin din lumea dumitale.Asta este TERORUL vostru si el te va distruge si pe d-ta......

b.d.
2005-10-15 21:12:32

Re: Serp i Molot - sorry ,

dar ma jignesti numindu-i pe acei scelerati, ''Neturei Karta'', compatriotii
mei...
Normal ca-ti este f comod sa-mi dai exemplu o adunatura de extremisti,
care unica lor preocupare este sa sa roage si sa faca copii.
Si, sa ne faca noua morala, de prin New York sau Londra...
Din partea noastra, (si cred ca-mi pot lua dreptul de a vorbi in
numele celor care sunt intr-adevar compatriotii mei), sa ramana
acolo unde sunt. Pana le-o sosi Mesia pe un magar alb, asa cum
i-l asteapta ei. Pana atunci, prea mult sange s-a varsat pe aceste
meleaguri, (nici o picatura din partea acestor nebuni), ca sa-i luam
in serios. Ei nu fac decat jocul celor care doresc stergerea Israelului
de pe harta. Si nici macar nu sunt constienti de asta, in extremismul
lor.
Dar, sa te vad, ce-ai mai zice in situatia (ipotetica, normal), in care,
(D-ne fereste), aceste meleaguri ar fi in stapanire palestiniana. Toate,
asa cum visezi tu, si acesti nebuni. Si, peste noapte, le-ar sosi Mesia
lor pe magar alb, si atunci, (caci asta-i credinta lor), si-ar cere dreptul
peste Holy Land ? Tot asa mi i-ai mai da ca exemplu ?:)))

Cand vad logo site-ului lor, cum batjocoresc ei drapelul israelian,
mi se face greata...Nici o diferenta intre ei, si cei care ard drapelul
israelian si american in pieti publice, si danseaza ca indienii de
fericire, in jurul focului...

Gaseste-ti alte argumente...


La 2005-10-15 20:18:49, Serp i Molot a scris:

> B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te
> te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai ,
> evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
> http://www.nkusa.org
> In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor
> (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care
> ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei
> 

ysl
2005-10-15 21:19:11

Re: B.D - sorry , but Palestina e Ocupata ! http://www.nkusa.org

La 2005-10-15 20:18:49, Serp i Molot a scris:

> B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te
> te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai ,
> evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
> http://www.nkusa.org
> In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor
> (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care
> ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei
> 

cunoastem pozitia celor din secta neturey karta.
ei nu sunt ''evrei religiosi'', ci o SECTA, care nu reprezinta nici macar 1% din populatia evreiasca a Terrei.

palavrele lor valoreaza exact doi lei (vechi)

''zidul rusinii'' cum ii spui tu, salveaza vieti..........dovada fiind numarul de sinucigasi de anul acesta in comparatie cu anul 2000 de exemplu, cand nu exista gardul...

intr-adevar palestina e ocupata, insa nu de evrei, ci de palestinieni.

Serp i Molot
2005-10-15 22:20:22

B.D http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/palestine/palestine.html

La 2005-10-15 21:12:32, b.d. a scris:

> dar ma jignesti numindu-i pe acei scelerati, ''Neturei Karta'',
> compatriotii
> mei...
> Normal ca-ti este f comod sa-mi dai exemplu o adunatura de
> extremisti,
> care unica lor preocupare este sa sa roage si sa faca copii.
> Si, sa ne faca noua morala, de prin New York sau Londra...
> Din partea noastra, (si cred ca-mi pot lua dreptul de a vorbi in
> numele celor care sunt intr-adevar compatriotii mei), sa ramana
> acolo unde sunt. Pana le-o sosi Mesia pe un magar alb, asa cum
> i-l asteapta ei. Pana atunci, prea mult sange s-a varsat pe aceste
> meleaguri, (nici o picatura din partea acestor nebuni), ca sa-i luam
> in serios. Ei nu fac decat jocul celor care doresc stergerea
> Israelului
> de pe harta. Si nici macar nu sunt constienti de asta, in extremismul
> lor.
> Dar, sa te vad, ce-ai mai zice in situatia (ipotetica, normal), in
> care,
> (D-ne fereste), aceste meleaguri ar fi in stapanire palestiniana.
> Toate,
> asa cum visezi tu, si acesti nebuni. Si, peste noapte, le-ar sosi
> Mesia
> lor pe magar alb, si atunci, (caci asta-i credinta lor), si-ar cere
> dreptul
> peste Holy Land ? Tot asa mi i-ai mai da ca exemplu ?:)))
> 
> Cand vad logo site-ului lor, cum batjocoresc ei drapelul israelian,
> mi se face greata...Nici o diferenta intre ei, si cei care ard
> drapelul
> israelian si american in pieti publice, si danseaza ca indienii de
> fericire, in jurul focului...
> 
> Gaseste-ti alte argumente...

========================

B.d , intentia mea a fost sa-ti arat ca si printre evrei exista pareri divergente. Faptul ca tu iti cataloghezi coonationalii ( sint EVREI, nu poti renega ) , ce nu-ti impartasesc parerile , drept "adunatura de extremisti care se roaga lui Dumnezeu si fac copii" , este un lucru trist si ingrijorator.
Mai jos , ai un document istoric , harta Palestinei din 1824 pina la teroarea si drama ce-o traiesc Palestinienii in ziua de azi sub Occupatie israeliana
http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/palestine/palestine.html

roy
2005-10-15 22:43:41

Re: B.D - sorry , but Palestina e Ocupata ! http://www.nkusa.org

Ha, ha, ha... Neturei karta compatriotzii nostri!!! Buna!

Astia sant contra existentzei Israelului si nu vor ca Israelul sa fie patria evreilor. Deci ce compatriotzi sant?

Habar n-ai de nimic!
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La 2005-10-15 20:18:49, Serp i Molot a scris:

> B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te
> te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai ,
> evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
> http://www.nkusa.org
> In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor
> (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care
> ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei
> 

Mos Grigore
2005-10-15 22:49:33

Re: de pustiul asta kamikaze de 14 ani se vorbeste de cateva zile pe aici

La 2005-10-15 19:44:23, Oriana a scris:

> 
> Serpoi e un caz clinic, disperat, cred ca nu exista antidot pt.
> virusul asta ...
========================================================

Ba exista: C4 sau Semtex legat strins pe burta. La prima ..............sa zicem asa il LIBEREAZA!

Mos Grigore
2005-10-15 22:51:30

Ia vezi cum se potriveste linkul ala ala tau ca Supozitor; dupa aia ne spui!

La 2005-10-15 20:18:49, Serp i Molot a scris:

> B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te
> te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai ,
> evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
> http://www.nkusa.org
> In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor
> (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care
> ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei
> 

Katty
2005-10-15 22:51:56

Misto loc de certat......

Chestia e ca ambaleaza si nume evreiesti grele !!!

Misto ......

Katty
2005-10-15 22:53:03

Oriana ........

e la datorie !!!!!

Mos Grigore
2005-10-15 22:54:09

Alooooo, BD ce dracu ai patit de te iei in gura cu totzi GOLANII?

La 2005-10-15 21:12:32, b.d. a scris:

> dar ma jignesti numindu-i pe acei scelerati, ''Neturei Karta'',
> compatriotii
> mei...
> Normal ca-ti este f comod sa-mi dai exemplu o adunatura de
> extremisti,
> care unica lor preocupare este sa sa roage si sa faca copii.
> Si, sa ne faca noua morala, de prin New York sau Londra...
> Din partea noastra, (si cred ca-mi pot lua dreptul de a vorbi in
> numele celor care sunt intr-adevar compatriotii mei), sa ramana
> acolo unde sunt. Pana le-o sosi Mesia pe un magar alb, asa cum
> i-l asteapta ei. Pana atunci, prea mult sange s-a varsat pe aceste
> meleaguri, (nici o picatura din partea acestor nebuni), ca sa-i luam
> in serios. Ei nu fac decat jocul celor care doresc stergerea
> Israelului
> de pe harta. Si nici macar nu sunt constienti de asta, in extremismul
> lor.
> Dar, sa te vad, ce-ai mai zice in situatia (ipotetica, normal), in
> care,
> (D-ne fereste), aceste meleaguri ar fi in stapanire palestiniana.
> Toate,
> asa cum visezi tu, si acesti nebuni. Si, peste noapte, le-ar sosi
> Mesia
> lor pe magar alb, si atunci, (caci asta-i credinta lor), si-ar cere
> dreptul
> peste Holy Land ? Tot asa mi i-ai mai da ca exemplu ?:)))
> 
> Cand vad logo site-ului lor, cum batjocoresc ei drapelul israelian,
> mi se face greata...Nici o diferenta intre ei, si cei care ard
> drapelul
> israelian si american in pieti publice, si danseaza ca indienii de
> fericire, in jurul focului...
> 
> Gaseste-ti alte argumente...
> 
> 
> La 2005-10-15 20:18:49, Serp i Molot a scris:
> 
> > B.D , tare mi-e teama ca nu ai dreptate in ceea ce afirmi . Uita-te
> > te rog pe linkul de mai jos, si-ai sa vezi ca compatrioti de-ai tai ,
> > evrei religiosi, spun exact acelasi lucru
> > http://www.nkusa.org
> > In al doilea rind, politica segregationista impotriva palestinienilor
> > (vezi zidul rusinii construit de sharon) nu este un lucru demn , care
> > ar putea rezolva Occupatia israeliana a Palestinei
> > 
> 
> 

roy
2005-10-15 23:06:21

Re: Misto loc de certat......

Hpo si noi cu tzatza katza. Ce femeie torida esti bre!
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La 2005-10-15 22:51:56, Katty a scris:

> 
> 
> Chestia e ca ambaleaza si nume evreiesti grele !!!
> 
> Misto ......
>