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jan dinu
2005-10-07 22:55:11

Domnul TESU ,hai ca fac cinste ...

Si mai chem si-un taraf de KLESMERI sa ne cinte pina
ne aducem aminte de timpurile bune din Romania .
Eu regret ca " marele jaf comunist " nu a fost mai repede
jefuit de sionisti ( ro- evrei) ..ca prea a durat mult !
Cam tirziu a actionat ---seniorul sionist S .Brucan ---,
de-am scapat de ---Ceausescu - PCR -- Bine ca nu mai E...!..:))
jD

motanul incaltat
2005-10-07 23:00:43

Sa CRAP daca va mint, eram sigur ca Jenica va fi primul !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cre ka doar la vederea subiectului l-a apucat o salivare, taman ca dulaul din experientele lui toa'shu' Pavlov !
Motanul

jan dinu
2005-10-07 23:33:29

Re: Sa CRAP daca va mint, eram sigur ca Jenica va fi primul !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just- presupus !..:))
JD



La 2005-10-07 23:00:43, motanul incaltat a scris:

> Cre ka doar la vederea subiectului l-a apucat o salivare, taman ca
> dulaul din experientele lui toa'shu' Pavlov !
> Motanul
> 

indel
2005-10-08 00:47:54

Nu te pune, ba....

...cu melitia, melitia
Ca te baga, ba, la gherla, la gherla....etc
Sint impresionat, o actiune isteata, pusa la cale si executata cu precizie. Trebuie sa spun, cu regret: De ce n-avem si noi, falitii nostri?
Si, inca o data, se vede ca singurul serviciu perfect pus la punct in Romania comunista era serviciul Secu'!

Harbuzache
2005-10-08 01:22:45

O greseala fundamentala

Marele jaf comunist nu a avut loc in 1950 ci dupa 1990 ! Asta o stiu si elevi din clasa intai ....
despre jaful asta de dupa 90 cand o sa facetzi film?
Dupa 50 de ani? ... atunci va fi pi dijeaba!

Mos Grigore
2005-10-08 04:40:06

Intrebare:

Citi dintre voi va amintiti de povestea asta, ca urla Bucurestiul.

Nu se poate sa nu o fi auzit-o chiar dupa OLITZA!

Aladin
2005-10-08 06:47:17

Numai insiderii puteau aranja asa ceva.

Chestia ca cine erau acestia.
1,6 mil lei in 1959 nu erau bani cu care sa faci cele mentionate.
Vanatoare antisionista iar nu are sens. Se terminase in 1954 cu ana,luca si harry (teo),.
Retin un lucru care e stiut, dece trebuiau sa-si schimbe numele?
si ce anume ii aducea,impingea pe acestia sa dea navala in secu si politie?

evreu mandru din israel
2005-10-08 11:20:58

Re: Intrebare:

Treaba de amatori, avem in Israel profesionisti adevarati. Cu cativa ani in urma au patruns intr-o banca, au spart si jefuit 250 de safe-uri si au disparut cu vreo 10 milioane de dolari in valuta si bijuterii. Erau cativa arestati, si mai mult ca probabil ei sunt autorii jafului, dar in lipsa de dovezi, au fost eliberati. Politia e in continu pe coada lor , dar nu s-a gasit inca nici-o urma.

La 2005-10-08 04:40:06, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Citi dintre voi va amintiti de povestea asta, ca urla Bucurestiul.
> 
> Nu se poate sa nu o fi auzit-o chiar dupa OLITZA!
> 

lucid
2005-10-08 13:08:25

parerea mea...

.... ca unul ce am copilarit pe strada Teohari si am auzit relatari oculare despre taxiul plin cu hartii de 25 de lei este ca nu a fost nici o inscenare ci actul constient si disperat al unor idealisti initial (vezi participarea lor la echipele lui Bodnaras in 44), complacuti in elita bolshevica a vremii ceva timp dar treziti la realitate o data cu constiinta lor evreiasca cand au hotarat sa-si schimbe idealul comunist, care-i dezamagise si le era persecutor acum, cu cel sionist, ei ajutand efectiv din abanii furati pe cei ramasi fara mijloace de trai in asteptarea Aliei. de notat ca nu au ucis sau ranit pe absolut nimeni. Deci un fel de desperados in cautare de justificare a existentei lor de pana atunci.

mafalda
2005-10-08 17:03:57

MICUL JAF, NU MARELE JAF

Asta de la o singura banca a fost de fapt "micul jaf", celalalt, in care au luat totul, banci, intreprinderi, case, vietile oamenilor, etc..... se poate numi corect "marele jaf....."
Iar astazi este continuat de cei scoliti si pregatiti la Stefan Gheorghiu si cocotati pe valurile loviturii de stat din 1989 pe care au dat-o..

Mos Grigore
2005-10-08 17:22:32

Re: Intrebare:

La 2005-10-08 11:20:58, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> Treaba de amatori, avem in Israel profesionisti adevarati. Cu cativa
> ani in urma au patruns intr-o banca, au spart si jefuit 250 de
> safe-uri si au disparut cu vreo 10 milioane de dolari in valuta si
> bijuterii. Erau cativa arestati, si mai mult ca probabil ei sunt
> autorii jafului, dar in lipsa de dovezi, au fost eliberati. Politia e
> in continu pe coada lor , dar nu s-a gasit inca nici-o urma.
> 


PARIEZ CA AIA ERAU VENITI DIN RUSIA!

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-08 17:44:54

Re: parerea mea...

La 2005-10-08 13:08:25, lucid a scris:

> ... ci actul constient si disperat al unor idealisti
> initial (vezi participarea lor la echipele lui Bodnaras in 44),

asta se numeste idealism?

ia uite ce scrie aici:


"Aurel Filip, un general nestiutor de carte, si el cumnat cu un alt mare conducator din acea vreme, Emil Bodnaras. Inainte de razboi locuia la Iasi si era de profesie... talhar. Jefuia negustorii si taranii care veneau la targ, luandu-i de gat direct din caruta, fiind inzestrat cu o forta herculeeana. Banii pe care ii fura astfel ajungeau in visteriile P.C.R., aflat pe atunci in ilegalitate. "

PCR, un partid ilegalist, era o societate mafiota, omogena etnic.
Nu puteai intra in partid daca nu erai acceptat de structurile etnice
predominante ale partidului. Casatoria cu o membra a gastii
ajuta foarte mult. A se vedea cazul lui Lucretiu Patrascanu,
cazul lui Bodnaras (este mentionat Bodnaras a carui sotie
din aceeasi etnie care forma nucleul societatii mafiote facea
legatura de rudenie cu fratii Ioanid printre altii). Ceausescu
a fost recrutat in cartierul Dudesti (cartierul etniei) unde unchiul
sau avea un atelier de pantofarie de un client care a identificat
in Ceausescu caracteristicile unui comunist bastinas ideal: imbecil,
criminal, fanatic, obedient, etc.

PCR, ca si Bundt-ul exprima optiunile politice ale unei etnii
dintr-un punct de vedere extremist. Precum majoritatea
bundtistilor aveau sa treaca la sionism, la fel si comunistii
vor proceda mai tarziu.

> complacuti in elita bolshevica a vremii ceva timp dar treziti la
> realitate o data cu constiinta lor evreiasca

asta e ca si cum ai spune ca intre bolshevism si "constiinta
lor evreiasca" ar exista o prapastie.

Hai sa vedem ce spune Stalin despre antisemitism:

JOSEPH STALIN in a reply given on January 12, 1931 to an enquiry made by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of America (Stars and Sand, page 316)

"Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death."

Nu numai atata, dar insasi pronuntarea etnonimului zhyd
(originea lui este Juden, care vine de la Judeus) a insemnat
un act de antisemitism, care atragea condamnarea acuzatului
la moarte. La fel au procedat acesti comunisti cand au ajuns
in Romania.

Chiar si acuma dupa 60 de ani de la instaurarea Terorii Rosii,
acesti indivizi ne terorizeaza, ne monitorizeaza, ne cenzureaza.


> cand au hotarat sa-si
> schimbe idealul comunist, care-i dezamagise si le era persecutor
> acum, cu cel sionist,

Ce fel de ideal este ala in numele caruia comiti crime si
supui alte popoare ca pe niste fiinte inferioare? Asta se numeste
rasism. Vrei sa spui ca rasismul acestor indivizi si-a gasit
o noua victima, palestinienii?

> ei ajutand efectiv din abanii furati pe cei
> ramasi fara mijloace de trai in asteptarea Aliei.

faptul ca in cadrul comunismului s-a creat o fractiune care si-a
pierdut privilegiile nu inseamna ca etnia si-a pierdut varful
conducerii partidului. Dej de exemplu, era de fapt omul din
fata, papusa. In spatele sau se aflau Gaston Marin, Leonte Rautu,
generalul Vasu. Ei conduceau. Tot ei l-au ales pe Ceausescu,
fiindca vedeau in acesta fiinta docila, imbecilul usor de manipulat.


> de notat ca nu au
> ucis sau ranit pe absolut nimeni. Deci un fel de desperados in
> cautare de justificare a existentei lor de pana atunci.

frumos.
aplauze si lacrimi.
Ca in filmul "Stejarul" cu Maia Morgenstein. Incepe cu o scena, ea
cu tatal ei bolnav pe patul de moarte, privesc un film, din perioada
de glorie "idealista" a comunistilor instauratori ai Terorii Rosii.

Mi-ar fi rusine cu astfel de scene patetice.

Asta imi aminteste ca aici in SUA a fi profesor la o universitate
americana si a lauda in public actele nazistilor inseamna
imediat desfacerea contractului de munca si in plus punerea ta
la zid, pe cand a lauda comunismul inseamna sa fi
promovat in fruntea celor mai importante comisii, asociatii, etc.

D-le, chiar nu aveti bun simt?

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-08 17:50:31

Lenin si "idealistii"

VLADIMIR, LENIN, Founder of Bolshevik Communist (From an article in Northern Pravda, October-December 1913, qouted in Lenin on the Jewish Question, page 10)

"There the great universally progressive features of Jewish culture have made themselves clearly felt: its internationalism, its responsiveness of the advanced movements of our times (the percentage of Jews in democratic and proletarian movements is everywhere higher than the percentage of Jews in the general population.)
...Those Jewish Marxists who join up in the international Marxist organizations with the Russian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian and other workers, adding their might (both in Russian and in Jewish) to the creation of an international culture of the working class movement, are continuing the best traditions of Jewry."

ysl
2005-10-08 18:50:08

doamna intarziata,

nu va inteleg disperarea.

ati dori oare ca un profesor universitar din SUA sa slaveasca nazismul si sa nu fie sanctionat?

la fel nu va inteleg de ce echivalati sionismul cu rasismul.
presupune miscarea de eliberare nationala a evreilor si stabilirea lor in propria patrie, ''rasism''?

puteti sa imi explicati?

ysl
2005-10-08 18:52:57

nu vad relevanta afirmatiilor in anul 2005, adica cu vreo 93 de ani dupa......

La 2005-10-08 17:50:31, Catalina Tarziu a scris:

> VLADIMIR, LENIN, Founder of Bolshevik Communist (From an article in
> Northern Pravda, October-December 1913, qouted in Lenin on the Jewish
> Question, page 10)
> 
> "There the great universally progressive features of Jewish
> culture have made themselves clearly felt: its internationalism, its
> responsiveness of the advanced movements of our times (the percentage
> of Jews in democratic and proletarian movements is everywhere higher
> than the percentage of Jews in the general population.)
> ...Those Jewish Marxists who join up in the international Marxist
> organizations with the Russian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian and other
> workers, adding their might (both in Russian and in Jewish) to the
> creation of an international culture of the working class movement,
> are continuing the best traditions of Jewry."
> 
> 


intre timp au existat 2 razboaie mondiale, comunismul a trecut de la faza de utopie la cea de implementare, s-a dovedit a fi o ideologie falimentara, asa ca......

ysl
2005-10-08 18:55:17

Re: O greseala fundamentala

La 2005-10-08 01:22:45, Harbuzache a scris:

> Marele jaf comunist nu a avut loc in 1950 ci dupa 1990 ! Asta o stiu
> si elevi din clasa intai ....
> despre jaful asta de dupa 90 cand o sa facetzi film?
> Dupa 50 de ani? ... atunci va fi pi dijeaba!
> 


cred ca gresiti in terminologie. poate vreti sa spuneti marele jaf ''securist'' autohton.....

asteptati raspuns? de ce nu intrebati mai bine ...SRI-ul...?

indel
2005-10-08 19:09:38

Re: doamna intarziata,

La 2005-10-08 18:50:08, ysl a scris:
>
> puteti sa imi explicati?
>

Venind de la oricine altcineva, as fi spus ca rugamintea este a unui prostanac ce tipa dupa ceva ....educatie. Dar venind de la tine, ysl, este o provocare. Las-o moarta, baiete, invata trucuri noi!

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-08 19:22:14

Re: doamna intarziata,

La 2005-10-08 18:50:08, ysl a scris:

> nu va inteleg disperarea.
> 
> ati dori oare ca un profesor universitar din SUA sa slaveasca nazismul
> si sa nu fie sanctionat?

as dori ca un autor pro-comunist, precum Kagan, Rosenbaum,
Apfelbaum, Silberman samd sa fie tratati ca si
autorii pro-nazisti.

> 
> la fel nu va inteleg de ce echivalati sionismul cu rasismul.

sionismul a fost o creatie a extremei stangi dupa ce
aceasta extrema a fost cucerita de etnia care avea sa
transforme secolul XX in secolul ingineriilor sociale,
secolul genocidelor, in numele "progresului".

Caci "progresistii" sunt adevaratii creatori ai rasismului.
Progresele stiintei din secolul XIX a creat un entuziasm
ce a degenerat in cele mai abominabile teorii, prezentate
drept progresiste. Iar indivizii care au cucerit polul ideologic
al stangii, aveau sa transforme stanga intr-o expresie
a rasismului cu fata "umana": societatea comunista.

Dupa publicarea arhipeleagului Gulag lumea a inceput sa
se convinga cum vine chestia asta cu fata umana
a comunismului (si a rasistilor din spatele sau).

> presupune miscarea de eliberare nationala a evreilor si stabilirea lor
> in propria patrie, ''rasism''?

Majoritatea statelor moderne au dezvoltat conceptul de natiune
civica. Cetateanul unui stat indeferent de etnia sa se bucura
de drepturi egale si formeaza cu ceilalati cetateni natiunea.
Astfel de state sunt Franta, SUA, Anglia, si tot mai multe state
europene.

Ceea ce nu e cazul Israelului.

In al doilea rand, statele care definesc nationalitatea pe baza
de origine genetica, precum grecii, sau bulgarii sunt considerate
relicve anacronice.

Nu numai atata, dar state care se definesc in jurul unui concept
religios nu pot fi considerate state moderne.

Iar un stat care se defineste in jurul unui concept religios dar
si genetic si in plus ghetouizeaza celelalte populatii este un
stat rasist. Mai ales cand acest stat isi considera poporul
drept cel Ales, cel mai bun dintre buni, cu radacini de 6000
de ani nealterate in antichitate.

Asta este o expresie foarte clara a rasismului.
Mai ales ca un astfel de stat a putut sa se nasca abia
dupa ce Europa de Rasarit a fost transformata intr-un
lagar de munca fortata prin Teroarea Rosie a poporului
Ales.
 
> puteti sa imi explicati?

ma indoiesc ca esti capabil sa intelegi.

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-08 19:25:11

Re: nu vad relevanta afirmatiilor in anul 2005, adica cu vreo 93 de ani dupa......

La 2005-10-08 18:52:57, ysl a scris:

> intre timp au existat 2 razboaie mondiale, comunismul a trecut de la
> faza de utopie la cea de implementare, s-a dovedit a fi o ideologie
> falimentara, asa ca......

intr-adevar, comunismul a trecut de la faza
internationalista, a "luptelor nationale de eliberare" (crearea
statului national Israel) la faza de national comunism,
adica sionism.

Toate eforturile omenirii pentru scopul ultim: fericirea poporului Ales.

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-08 19:27:43

Re: O greseala fundamentala

La 2005-10-08 18:55:17, ysl a scris:

> La 2005-10-08 01:22:45, Harbuzache a scris:

> cred ca gresiti in terminologie. poate vreti sa spuneti marele jaf
> ''securist'' autohton.....
> 
> asteptati raspuns? de ce nu intrebati mai bine ...SRI-ul...?
> 

a explicat-o Dulgheru dupa ce a sters-o in Israel, dupa
care in anii '60 a sters-o in Canada unde a dat niste
explicatii care astazi sunt cenzurate.

Dar de ce nu-l intrebi acolo in Israel pe Gaston Marin,
pe Leonte Rautu si pe altii care conduceau si jefuiau
Romania la stil mare?

evreu mandru din israel
2005-10-08 19:37:32

Re: nu vad relevanta afirmatiilor in anul 2005, adica cu vreo 93 de ani dupa......

La Catalina timpul s-a oprit de mult. Au congelat-o in anii "Capitanului" si s-a trezit acum...

La 2005-10-08 18:52:57, ysl a scris:
 
> intre timp au existat 2 razboaie mondiale, comunismul a trecut de la
> faza de utopie la cea de implementare, s-a dovedit a fi o ideologie
> falimentara, asa ca......
> 
> 

ysl
2005-10-08 19:38:29

indel,

La 2005-10-08 19:09:38, indel a scris:

> La 2005-10-08 18:50:08, ysl a scris:
> >
> > puteti sa imi explicati?
> >
> 
> Venind de la oricine altcineva, as fi spus ca rugamintea este a unui
> prostanac ce tipa dupa ceva ....educatie. Dar venind de la tine, ysl,
> este o provocare. Las-o moarta, baiete, invata trucuri noi!
> 


nu stiu despre ce provocari vorbesti.

de cand intrebarile au devenit automat provocari?

si inca ceva...te rog, nu-mi da mie lectii!

roy
2005-10-08 19:57:54

Re: parerea mea...

Parerea mea esta ca daca Tesu a inceput sa caute istorii de 'jde ani, inseamna ca situatzia in Israel merge bine si Tesulica se plictiseste.
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La 2005-10-08 13:08:25, lucid a scris:

> .... ca unul ce am copilarit pe strada Teohari si am auzit relatari
> oculare despre taxiul plin cu hartii de 25 de lei este ca nu a fost
> nici o inscenare ci actul constient si disperat al unor idealisti
> initial (vezi participarea lor la echipele lui Bodnaras in 44),
> complacuti in elita bolshevica a vremii ceva timp dar treziti la
> realitate o data cu constiinta lor evreiasca cand au hotarat sa-si
> schimbe idealul comunist, care-i dezamagise si le era persecutor
> acum, cu cel sionist, ei ajutand efectiv din abanii furati pe cei
> ramasi fara mijloace de trai in asteptarea Aliei. de notat ca nu au
> ucis sau ranit pe absolut nimeni. Deci un fel de desperados in
> cautare de justificare a existentei lor de pana atunci.
> 

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-08 20:46:18

Crima antisemita a Romaniei

Totul incepe cu lucrarea lui Ilia Ehrenburg si a lui Vassili Grossman
Chernaya Kniga: Cartea Neagra

(exterminarea talmudicilor de catre invadatorii fascisto germani in
teritoriile ocupate ale URSS-ului si moartea lor in lagarele de
exterminarea din Polonia in perioada 1941-1945).

De ce aceasta carte este esentiala?
Fiindca demonstreaza un efort coordonat al comunistilor,
care odata ce au cucerit estul european au acuzat popoarele
cucerite de genocid impotriva talmudicilor. Primul lucru care l-au
facut cuceritorii a fost sa proscrie propriul lor etnonim pe
care l-au considerat un peiorativ si sa introduca legislatia
penala a lui Stalin prin care folosirea etnonimului era considerata
o crima antisemita.

In intreaga europa rasariteana au aparut Cartile Negre prin
care popoarele cucerite erau acuzate de genocid.

Nu numai atata, dar peste tot s-au infiintat Tribunalele Poporului
conduse de indivizi precum Avram Bunaciu (Gutman) in Romania
prin care conducatorii statelor respective au fost
incriminati in celebrele Procese ale Criminalilor de Razboi fiind
acuzati de urmatoarele culpe:
1) antisemitism si acte de genocid impotriva celor cu un etnonim
considerat peiorativ
2) fascism si anticomunism
3) antisovietism

Toate aceste trei culpe erau considerate echivalente. Este foarte
clar de ce.

Dupa 1948 (anul infiintarii statului Israel) si dupa ce Golda Meir
a fost primita triumfal la Moscova de o masa de
50000 de oameni, toti coetnici ai ei, Stalin a intrezarit pericolul care-l
paste (la 5 ani va fi omorat de Beria). Motiv ca perioada 1948-1953
este o perioada in care Stalin incearca sa diminueze influenta
sionistilor in cadrul comunismului.

Motiv ca ocupantii comunisti in loc sa-si acuze popoarele supuse
de antisemitism, muta accentul de la acuzatia crimelor antisemitice
la acuzatia luptei fasciste anticomuniste si antisovietice.

Este perioada cand sionismul pune accentul pe consolidarea
statului Israel. Este perioada in care se naste asa zisul
national comunism, definit de determinarea internationalistilor comunisti
in a-si forma propriul lor stat national, Israelul.

Tarile ocupate vor furniza materia prima, finantele si resursele
necesare ca acest stat sa existe. O intreaga politica a "luptelor
de eliberare" genereaza o economie a "pietii negre" in care sume
imense de bani se invarteau. Blocajul economic impus de
Cortina de Fier inseamna pentru noul stat din Orientul Apropiat
o resursa imensa de finante, caci acest stat devine un intermediar
intre tarile din spatele Cortinei de Fier si Lumea Libera.

Astazi dupa caderea Cortinei de Fier se impune ca teza
lui Ilya Ehrenburg si a lui Vassili Grossman din Cartea Neagra
sa fie reluata. Motivul este faptul ca popoarele eliberate
de comunism vor sa afle adevarul, vor sa acuze comunismul
de Holocaust. Ceea ce este un pericol.

Cum de altfel urmatorul text exprima aceasta idee de minune:


Nonetheless, Le Livre Noir was translated a few months after its publication in French and quickly sold out. The Romanian version included a special chapter on repression in Romania written by the same group of historians that publishes documents on the communist period in Romania and has recently created, through its own initiative and fund-raising efforts, a memorial museum to the victims of communism. Some of these historians have been accused of practicing "justice-meting" history, historical study whose main purpose is to mete out justice. And the dangers of this have been pointed out. In effect, during the Second World War Romania was the country with the most widespread participation by local authorities and individuals in the destruction of the Jews after Germany. And the opinion has been expressed that what we are seeing in Romania is a tendency to prosecute communism more determinedly than Antonescu's fascism, or even Nazism: a whole vocabulary, often associated with the Shoah, is being used against communism in a way that could, it is feared, "make commonplace the genocide of the Jews." The Romanians who created a memorial museum to the victims of communism in the former prison of Sighet are understood by these critics to have done so in explicit reference to the creation of a memorial to the Holocaust at Auschwitz. They themselves say their project was particularly difficult to realize due to the neo-communists' hostility, their own weak resources, and the paucity of archives, as well as the immunity enjoyed by former members of the Securitat police. We can see here the tendency for two antagonistic discourses to develop: one maintaining that to speak of communist crimes and call for a kind of Nuremberg trial for communism is to obscure the Shoah; another according to which the reality of the Shoah is used to prohibit any radical denunciation of communism.

Oriana
2005-10-08 20:53:36

doamna intarziata - ma indoiesc ca esti capabil sa intelegi

pai cine sa-ti inteleaga contorsiunile tale ... talmudice ?!

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La 2005-10-08 19:22:14, Catalina Tarziu a scris:

> La 2005-10-08 18:50:08, ysl a scris:
> 
> > nu va inteleg disperarea.
> > 
> > ati dori oare ca un profesor universitar din SUA sa slaveasca nazismul
> > si sa nu fie sanctionat?
> 
> as dori ca un autor pro-comunist, precum Kagan, Rosenbaum,
> Apfelbaum, Silberman samd sa fie tratati ca si
> autorii pro-nazisti.
> 
> > 
> > la fel nu va inteleg de ce echivalati sionismul cu rasismul.
> 
> sionismul a fost o creatie a extremei stangi dupa ce
> aceasta extrema a fost cucerita de etnia care avea sa
> transforme secolul XX in secolul ingineriilor sociale,
> secolul genocidelor, in numele "progresului".
> 
> Caci "progresistii" sunt adevaratii creatori ai rasismului.
> Progresele stiintei din secolul XIX a creat un entuziasm
> ce a degenerat in cele mai abominabile teorii, prezentate
> drept progresiste. Iar indivizii care au cucerit polul ideologic
> al stangii, aveau sa transforme stanga intr-o expresie
> a rasismului cu fata "umana": societatea comunista.
> 
> Dupa publicarea arhipeleagului Gulag lumea a inceput sa
> se convinga cum vine chestia asta cu fata umana
> a comunismului (si a rasistilor din spatele sau).
> 
> > presupune miscarea de eliberare nationala a evreilor si stabilirea lor
> > in propria patrie, ''rasism''?
> 
> Majoritatea statelor moderne au dezvoltat conceptul de natiune
> civica. Cetateanul unui stat indeferent de etnia sa se bucura
> de drepturi egale si formeaza cu ceilalati cetateni natiunea.
> Astfel de state sunt Franta, SUA, Anglia, si tot mai multe state
> europene.
> 
> Ceea ce nu e cazul Israelului.
> 
> In al doilea rand, statele care definesc nationalitatea pe baza
> de origine genetica, precum grecii, sau bulgarii sunt considerate
> relicve anacronice.
> 
> Nu numai atata, dar state care se definesc in jurul unui concept
> religios nu pot fi considerate state moderne.
> 
> Iar un stat care se defineste in jurul unui concept religios dar
> si genetic si in plus ghetouizeaza celelalte populatii este un
> stat rasist. Mai ales cand acest stat isi considera poporul
> drept cel Ales, cel mai bun dintre buni, cu radacini de 6000
> de ani nealterate in antichitate.
> 
> Asta este o expresie foarte clara a rasismului.
> Mai ales ca un astfel de stat a putut sa se nasca abia
> dupa ce Europa de Rasarit a fost transformata intr-un
> lagar de munca fortata prin Teroarea Rosie a poporului
> Ales.
>  
> > puteti sa imi explicati?
> 
> ma indoiesc ca esti capabil sa intelegi.
> 

Oriana
2005-10-08 20:55:28

"fericirea poporului Ales"

si nefericirea tezelor tale... solitare

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La 2005-10-08 19:25:11, Catalina Tarziu a scris:

> La 2005-10-08 18:52:57, ysl a scris:
> 
> > intre timp au existat 2 razboaie mondiale, comunismul a trecut de la
> > faza de utopie la cea de implementare, s-a dovedit a fi o ideologie
> > falimentara, asa ca......
> 
> intr-adevar, comunismul a trecut de la faza
> internationalista, a "luptelor nationale de eliberare"
> (crearea
> statului national Israel) la faza de national comunism,
> adica sionism.
> 
> Toate eforturile omenirii pentru scopul ultim: fericirea poporului
> Ales.
> 

Agentura
2005-10-08 21:40:25

Re: Ca nine spui.

Subscriu.

La 2005-10-08 17:03:57, mafalda a scris:

> Asta de la o singura banca a fost de fapt "micul jaf",
> celalalt, in care au luat totul, banci, intreprinderi, case, vietile
> oamenilor, etc..... se poate numi corect "marele jaf....."
> Iar astazi este continuat de cei scoliti si pregatiti la Stefan
> Gheorghiu si cocotati pe valurile loviturii de stat din 1989 pe care
> au dat-o..
> 

roy
2005-10-08 21:43:28

Re:Mosului

Sigur erau din banda marelui maestru Ostap Bender :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


La 2005-10-08 17:22:32, Mos Grigore a scris:
PARIEZ CA AIA ERAU VENITI DIN RUSIA!
> 

Agentura
2005-10-08 21:49:12

Re: PCR n-a fost un partid etnic

De unde ai scos-o si pe asta? Mai ales la inceputuri, comunistii erau "internationalisti", de unde si lozinca "Proletari din toate tarile, uniti-va". Ai impresia ca ar fi respins "candidati" doar fiindca nu proveneau dintr-o etnie anume. Aiurea, luau si ei pe cine puteau. Ca intre anii '20-'44, nu prea se inghesuiau multi.

La 2005-10-08 17:44:54, Catalina Tarziu a scris:
> PCR, un partid ilegalist, era o societate mafiota, omogena etnic.
> Nu puteai intra in partid daca nu erai acceptat de structurile etnice
> predominante ale partidului. Casatoria cu o membra a gastii
> ajuta foarte mult. A se vedea cazul lui Lucretiu Patrascanu,
> cazul lui Bodnaras (este mentionat Bodnaras a carui sotie
> din aceeasi etnie care forma nucleul societatii mafiote facea
> legatura de rudenie cu fratii Ioanid printre altii). Ceausescu
> a fost recrutat in cartierul Dudesti (cartierul etniei) unde unchiul
> sau avea un atelier de pantofarie de un client care a identificat
> in Ceausescu caracteristicile unui comunist bastinas ideal: imbecil,
> criminal, fanatic, obedient, etc.
> PCR, ca si Bundt-ul exprima optiunile politice ale unei etnii
> dintr-un punct de vedere extremist. Precum majoritatea
> bundtistilor aveau sa treaca la sionism, la fel si comunistii
> vor proceda mai tarziu.

ysl
2005-10-08 21:59:06

mare ciulama in capul unora..

La 2005-10-08 19:37:32, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> La Catalina timpul s-a oprit de mult. Au congelat-o in anii
> "Capitanului" si s-a trezit acum...
> 
> La 2005-10-08 18:52:57, ysl a scris:
>  
> > intre timp au existat 2 razboaie mondiale, comunismul a trecut de la
> > faza de utopie la cea de implementare, s-a dovedit a fi o ideologie
> > falimentara, asa ca......
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


sionismul este national-comunism? de cand,... de unde? va bazati pe ceva ?
sau e doar un ghiveci de piersici cu smantana...din ciclul ''hai sa scriem ceva ca sa nu adormim''?

ysl
2005-10-08 22:17:38

Re: doamna intarziata,

La 2005-10-08 19:22:14, Catalina Tarziu a scris:


> sionismul a fost o creatie a extremei stangi dupa ce
> aceasta extrema a fost cucerita de etnia care avea sa
> transforme secolul XX in secolul ingineriilor sociale,
> secolul genocidelor, in numele "progresului".

sionismul este creatia lui theodor hertzl, de pe la 1896, ca urmare a curentului antisemit din europa si a cresterii nationalismului.
nu a avut nici o treaba cu comunismul, asa cum pigmeii nu au treaba cu cartile de credit.

vreti sa spuneti ca evreii au transformat secolul 20 in secolul genocidelor?
pana acum debitatzi numai cretinitatzi...



> 
> Caci "progresistii" sunt adevaratii creatori ai rasismului.
> Progresele stiintei din secolul XIX a creat un entuziasm
> ce a degenerat in cele mai abominabile teorii, prezentate
> drept progresiste. Iar indivizii care au cucerit polul ideologic
> al stangii, aveau sa transforme stanga intr-o expresie
> a rasismului cu fata "umana": societatea comunista.
> 
> Dupa publicarea arhipeleagului Gulag lumea a inceput sa
> se convinga cum vine chestia asta cu fata umana
> a comunismului (si a rasistilor din spatele sau).
> 

creatorii rasismului au fost nazistii, nu comunistii...
vad ca persistatzi in debitarea de tampenii...




> Majoritatea statelor moderne au dezvoltat conceptul de natiune
> civica. Cetateanul unui stat indeferent de etnia sa se bucura
> de drepturi egale si formeaza cu ceilalati cetateni natiunea.
> Astfel de state sunt Franta, SUA, Anglia, si tot mai multe state
> europene.
> 
> Ceea ce nu e cazul Israelului.
> 

alte aberatzii:

toti cetatenii israelului, indiferent ca sunt musulmani, druzi, circazieni, crestini, samariteni etc etc beneficiaza de aceleasi drepturi si obligatii.



> In al doilea rand, statele care definesc nationalitatea pe baza
> de origine genetica, precum grecii, sau bulgarii sunt considerate
> relicve anacronice.
> 
> Nu numai atata, dar state care se definesc in jurul unui concept
> religios nu pot fi considerate state moderne.

asta cine o spune? dvs?


> 
> Iar un stat care se defineste in jurul unui concept religios dar
> si genetic si in plus ghetouizeaza celelalte populatii este un
> stat rasist. Mai ales cand acest stat isi considera poporul
> drept cel Ales, cel mai bun dintre buni, cu radacini de 6000
> de ani nealterate in antichitate.
> 

sintagma ''popor ales'' nu o spune ''statul israel'', ci o spune biblia. si o spune intr-un sens foarte clar, religios. nu ''laic''
pot sa iti recomand ''hit the book, stupid?''
6000 de ani e o exagerare care nu se gaseste nicaieri, decat in originala dvs ''istorie''
alt borsh de idei...

> Asta este o expresie foarte clara a rasismului.
> Mai ales ca un astfel de stat a putut sa se nasca abia
> dupa ce Europa de Rasarit a fost transformata intr-un
> lagar de munca fortata prin Teroarea Rosie a poporului
> Ales.
>  

un ''astfel de stat'' s-a nascut in '48, in urma votului ONU.
ce treaba are europa de rasarit cu crearea israelului numai doamna intarziata ''stie''.....

ne-am lamurit care e ''the stupid'' acuma...

ysl
2005-10-08 22:19:28

dna intarziata,

eu vorbeam clar despre subiectul abordat de harbuzache.

daca nu reusiti sa va dati seama de subiect, nu e mai bine sa nu va bagati in el?

antiohus
2005-10-08 22:25:08

Re: nu vad relevanta afirmatiilor in anul 2005, adica cu vreo 93 de ani dupa......

yo EMI,

shana tova si hag sameah tie si tuturor celor care sarbatoresc acu

ai inceput deja sa faci repetitii pentru yom kippur?

o vezi pe de-alde madam meuhar?daca n-ai stii cine e,nu-i asa ca ai putea sa juri ca e roman neaos?exista cineva in universul asta care le stie pe absolut toate precum intelectualul mioritic?

dupa cantitatea si calitatea dobitoceniilor deversate,pare a fi un provocator...dar daca asta scrie pe bune?!?!

ce-ai face daca ai avea un ginere ca asta de destept???ha ha ha!!!

La 2005-10-08 19:37:32, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> La Catalina timpul s-a oprit de mult. Au congelat-o in anii
> "Capitanului" si s-a trezit acum...
> 
> La 2005-10-08 18:52:57, ysl a scris:
>  
> > intre timp au existat 2 razboaie mondiale, comunismul a trecut de la
> > faza de utopie la cea de implementare, s-a dovedit a fi o ideologie
> > falimentara, asa ca......
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

ysl
2005-10-08 22:30:47

Re: Crima antisemita a Romaniei

.....
ciorba de informatii elucubrante

punct.

Doro
2005-10-09 00:48:45

Traim intro lume murdara, de sute de ani

Experiente umane care au avut loc dea lungul decenilor ce s-a soldat cu moartea a milioane de oameni se pare ca reiese la suprafata.Intrucat in spatele politicii communiste cat si capitaliste s-au socialiste s-au aflat tot evreii care dealfel se vede ca nu inceteaza nici astazi de a manipula omenirea .Dovada o avem pe internet ca acesti oameni se baga pe orice forum pentru a schimba directia celor care mentioneaza adevarul si dreptatea .Daca nu pot stapanii se recurge la jaf s-au crime pentru a stopa pe oricine care se inpotriveste . Banii sunt de valoare pentru ca pot cumpara orice si pe oricine asfel pot sasi schimbe numele ,pot devenii doctori avocati si tot ce se leaga de putere, daca au bani .

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-09 00:51:56

Re: Crima antisemita a Romaniei

La 2005-10-08 22:30:47, ysl a scris:

> ciorba de informatii elucubrante

ca sa intelegi si tu:

e imposibil sa vorbesti despre crimele comunismului
fiindca talmudicii sar la beregata.

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-09 02:20:55

Nicholas F. Taubman noul ambasador american

TAUBMAN FAMILY
Roanoke. Advance Stores founder Arthur Taubman died in 1994 at 92. Started his first auto-parts chain in Baltimore. Failed in 1930s. Started over in Roanoke, buying three failing auto-parts stores. Advance Auto now has more than 1,500 stores. Family in 1997 hired Goldman Sachs to find a buyer, then took company off market. Private firm Freeman Spogli & Co., which invests in growing companies, bought majority stake in March 1998; now owns 39 percent. In November Advance Auto purchased Sears Roebuck’s Western Auto Supply Co., an auto-parts chain. Sears got $175 million in cash and 40 percent of the Roanoke company. During World War II, Arthur Taubman helped about 500 European Jews escape to the United States by claiming them as "cousins." Son Nicholas F. Taubman, 64 and a fan of antique cars, remains chairman. No planned family succession. Taubman family, including Nicholas’ mother, Grace, and wife, Eugenia, still own about 10 percent of the company, along with some property and the old company plane, which Taubman bought in 1998 for $4.1 million.
Net Worth: $400 million*

ysl
2005-10-09 02:27:17

dna intarziata,

nu e nici o problema daca intr-adevar ati discuta despre crimele comunismului.

dvs insa nu faceti asta, ci aruncati cu noroi in toata populatia evreiasca a lumii, aducandu-ne ''protocoalele inteleptilor sionului'' intr-o noua versiune, upgradata si personalizata...a la catalina

ysl
2005-10-09 02:30:15

Re: Traim intro lume murdara, de sute de ani

mda..........

citezi direct din versiunile ulterioare ale ''protocoalelor inteleptilor...''

parca ai fi catalina tarziu....exact aceleasi obsesii si aberatii mincinoase, ...miroase a fiul satanei...

piei drace!

OKW
2005-10-09 03:26:38

Re: Crima antisemita a Romaniei pt YSL

stimate domn,
nu sunt o persoana activa in a posta mesaje pe forum desi sunt "membru" al acestuia de ceva timp, nu am nimic cu nimeni de pe acest forum ma refer la cei care posteaza dar un lucru sincer ma deranjeaza cand il sesizez: HARTUIREA
daca doamna catalina face niste afirmatii e parerea ei in aceasta privinta daca dumneavoastra aveti alte pareri foarte bine e demn de lauda ca dupa cum spunea cineva parca " din conflictele de idei se creeaza evolutia" rugamintea mea este si nu ma refer la dumneavoastra strict sau sa nu o percepe-ti ca pe un afront ca nu este, va rog daca aveti o dovada ceva sau daca aveti o informatie care poate fi verificata si probata temeinic e perfect dar am urmarit toate postarile de pana acum si am sesizat un singur lucru din partea dumneavoastra cum doamna domnisoara sau ce o fi "catalina" (nu ma intereseaza e treaba ei ce e in spatele acestui nume),dumneavoastra ati facut numai sa contrati si sa provocati.nu e frumos.
va multumesc pt timpul acordat
ps.cred ca nu gresesc cand afirm ca ar fi mai bine pt toti cei de pe acest forum daca in momentul in care afirmam ceva sa aducem si dovezi? am dreptate? cred ca da. multumesc

Catalina Tarziu
2005-10-09 05:41:10

Re: dna intarziata,

La 2005-10-09 02:27:17, ysl a scris:


> dvs insa nu faceti asta, ci aruncati cu noroi in toata populatia
> evreiasca a lumii, aducandu-ne ''protocoalele inteleptilor sionului''
> intr-o noua versiune, upgradata si personalizata...a la catalina
>
din contra, ma distrez de prejudecatile voastre.
In loc sa intelegeti ca sunteti manipulati de niste fanatici
voi ii credeti:

La 2005-10-02 13:12:23, evreu mandru din israel a scris:


> Antisemitismul are radacini adanci si in Rusia si in Ucraina. In
> Ucraina, eroul national Bogdan Hmelnitzki a ucis in pogromuri o
> multime de evrei, crezi ca ne sfidam sa le spunem in fatza, o punem
> sub covor?

obiectul razbunarii taranilor din republica de la Zaporoje (aici
s-au adunat toti oropsitii care nu mai suportau conditiile grele
de viata la care ii supuneau stapanii lor feudali) sub
conducerea lui Hmelnitki au fost cei mai bogati ai vremii,
care erau feudali polonezi, printre care figurau caraitii.

Caraitii erau de limba turca (care cum se stie nu este identica
cu idish, o limba germana), iar religia lor nascuta la Bagdad
odata cu talmudismul nu este nici pe departe identica cu aceasta.
In plus caraitii se considera adevaratii evrei. In plus nazistii
in timpul celui de al doilea razboi mondial i-au protejat pe
caraiti care s-au bucurat in ochii nazistilor de un statut privelegiat.

Asa ca nu te inteleg de o scoti pe chestia cu Hmelnitki
care ar fi omorat talmudici? Astea sunt fictiuni.

pcr-istu
2005-10-09 06:16:37

Ce mai spun si altii.

Carl Cameron Investigates Part 1 - Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?

Author: Carl Cameron

Part I:
BRIT HUME, HOST: It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life sentence. At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work.

Now Fox News has learned some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may have known things they didn't tell us before September 11. Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first of a four-part series.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Since September 11, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new patriot anti-terrorism law, or for immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are "tie-ins." But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis, spotted in North Carolina recently, is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.

Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that's been compiling evidence since the mid '90s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say, "may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity."

The first part of the investigation focuses on Israelis who say they are art students from the University of Jerusalem and Bazala Academy. They repeatedly made contact with U.S. government personnel, the report says, by saying they wanted to sell cheap art or handiwork.

Documents say they, "targeted and penetrated military bases." The DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities, and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel. The majority of those questioned, "stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept and or explosive ordinance units."

Another part of the investigation has resulted in the detention and arrests of dozens of Israelis at American mall kiosks, where they've been selling toys called Puzzle Car and Zoom Copter. Investigators suspect a front.

Shortly after The New York Times and Washington Post reported the Israeli detentions last months, the carts began vanishing. Zoom Copter's Web page says, "We are aware of the situation caused by thousands of mall carts being closed at the last minute. This in no way reflects the quality of the toy or its salability. The problem lies in the operators' business policies."

Why would Israelis spy in and on the U.S.? A general accounting office investigation referred to Israel as country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."

A defense intelligence report said Israel has a voracious appetite for information and said, "the Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every possible facet of their political and economical policies. It aggressively collects military and industrial technology and the U.S. is a high priority target."

The document concludes: "Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy here in Washington issued a denial saying that any suggestion that Israelis are spying in or on the U.S. is "simply not true." There are other things to consider. And in the days ahead, we'll take a look at the U.S. phone system and law enforcement's methods for wiretaps. And an investigation that both have been compromised by our friends overseas.

HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9-11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CAMERON: It's very explosive information, obviously, and there's a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected — none of it necessarily conclusive. It's more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have know? Almost a direct quote.

HUME: Going into the fact that they were spying on some Arabs, right?

CAMERON: Correct.

HUME: All right, Carl, thanks very much.

pcr-istu
2005-10-09 06:24:56

Este bine sa se stie.

Carl Cameron Investigates Part 2 - Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.?

Thursday, December 13, 2001

Part 2 of 4

BRIT HUME, HOST: Last time we reported on the approximately 60 Israelis who had been detained in connection with the Sept. 11 terrorism investigation. Carl Cameron reported that U.S. investigators suspect that some of these Israelis were spying on Arabs in this country, and may have turned up information on the planned terrorist attacks back in September that was not passed on.

Tonight, in the second of four reports on spying by Israelis in the U.S., we learn about an Israeli-based private communications company, for whom a half-dozen of those 60 detained suspects worked. American investigators fear information generated by this firm may have fallen into the wrong hands and had the effect of impeded the Sept. 11 terror inquiry. Here's Carl Cameron's second report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fox News has learned that some American terrorist investigators fear certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them, by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone. How?

By obtaining and analyzing data that's generated every time someone in the U.S. makes a call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What city and state, please?

CAMERON: Here's how the system works. Most directory assistance calls, and virtually all call records and billing in the U.S. are done for the phone companies by Amdocs Ltd., an Israeli-based private elecommunications company.

Amdocs has contracts with the 25 biggest phone companies in America, and more worldwide. The White House and other secure government phone lines are protected, but it is virtually impossible to make a call on normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it.

In recent years, the FBI and other government agencies have investigated Amdocs more than once. The firm has repeatedly and adamantly denied any security breaches or wrongdoing. But sources tell Fox News that in 1999, the super secret national security agency, headquartered in northern Maryland, issued what's called a Top Secret sensitive compartmentalized information report, TS/SCI, warning that records of calls in the United States were getting into foreign hands – in Israel, in particular.

Investigators don't believe calls are being listened to, but the data about who is calling whom and when is plenty valuable in itself. An internal Amdocs memo to senior company executives suggests just how Amdocs generated call records could be used. "Widespread data mining techniques and algorithms.... combining both the properties of the customer (e.g., credit rating) and properties of the specific ‘behavior….’" Specific behavior, such as who the customers are calling.

The Amdocs memo says the system should be used to prevent phone fraud. But U.S. counterintelligence analysts say it could also be used to spy through the phone system. Fox News has learned that the N.S.A has held numerous classified conferences to warn the F.B.I. and C.I.A. how Amdocs records could be used. At one NSA briefing, a diagram by the Argon national lab was used to show that if the phone records are not secure, major security breaches are possible.

Another briefing document said, "It has become increasingly apparent that systems and networks are vulnerable.…Such crimes always involve unauthorized persons, or persons who exceed their authorization...citing on exploitable vulnerabilities."

Those vulnerabilities are growing, because according to another briefing, the U.S. relies too much on foreign companies like Amdocs for high-tech equipment and software. "Many factors have led to increased dependence on code developed overseas.... We buy rather than train or develop solutions."

U.S. intelligence does not believe the Israeli government is involved in a misuse of information, and Amdocs insists that its data is secure. What U.S. government officials are worried about, however, is the possibility that Amdocs data could get into the wrong hands, particularly organized crime. And that would not be the first thing that such a thing has happened. Fox News has documents of a 1997 drug trafficking case in Los Angeles, in which telephone information, the type that Amdocs collects, was used to "completely compromise the communications of the FBI, the Secret Service, the DEO and the LAPD."

We'll have that and a lot more in the days ahead – Brit.

HUME: Carl, I want to take you back to your report last night on those 60 Israelis who were detained in the anti-terror investigation, and the suspicion that some investigators have that they may have picked up information on the 9/11 attacks ahead of time and not passed it on.

There was a report, you'll recall, that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, did indeed send representatives to the U.S. to warn, just before 9/11, that a major terrorist attack was imminent. How does that leave room for the lack of a warning?

CAMERON: I remember the report, Brit. We did it first internationally right here on your show on the 14th. What investigators are saying is that that warning from the Mossad was nonspecific and general, and they believe that it may have had something to do with the desire to protect what are called sources and methods in the intelligence community. The suspicion being, perhaps those sources and methods were taking place right here in the United States.

The question came up in select intelligence committee on Capitol Hill today. They intend to look into what we reported last night, and specifically that possibility – Brit.

HUME: So in other words, the problem wasn't lack of a warning, the problem was lack of useful details?

CAMERON: Quantity of information.

HUME: All right, Carl, thank you very much.

Copyright:

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. Information Clearing House has no affiliation whatsoever with the originator of this article nor is Information Clearing House endorsed or sponsored by the originator.)

pcr-istu
2005-10-09 06:28:47

Pentru cei "NEINTIRZIATI"

Carl Cameron Investigates Part 3 : Comverse, CALEA, Israel and the terror investigation

HUME: Last time we reported on an Israeli-based company called Amdocs Ltd. that generates the computerized records and billing data for nearly every phone call made in America. As Carl Cameron reported, U.S. investigators digging into the 9/11 terrorist attacks fear that suspects may have been tipped off to what they were doing by information leaking out of Amdocs.
In tonight's report, we learn that the concern about phone security extends to another company, founded in Israel, that provides the technology that the U.S. government uses for electronic eavesdropping. Here is Carl Cameron's third report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The company is Comverse Infosys, a subsidiary of an Israeli-run private telecommunications firm, with offices throughout the U.S. It provides wiretapping equipment for law enforcement. Here's how wiretapping works in the U.S.

Every time you make a call, it passes through the nation's elaborate network of switchers and routers run by the phone companies. Custom computers and software, made by companies like Comverse, are tied into that network to intercept, record and store the wiretapped calls, and at the same time transmit them to investigators.

The manufacturers have continuing access to the computers so they can service them and keep them free of glitches. This process was authorized by the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA. Senior government officials have now told Fox News that while CALEA made wiretapping easier, it has led to a system that is seriously vulnerable to compromise, and may have undermined the whole wiretapping system.

Indeed, Fox News has learned that Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller were both warned Oct. 18 in a hand-delivered letter from 15 local, state and federal law enforcement officials, who complained that "law enforcement's current electronic surveillance capabilities are less effective today than they were at the time CALEA was enacted."

Congress insists the equipment it installs is secure. But the complaint about this system is that the wiretap computer programs made by Comverse have, in effect, a back door through which wiretaps themselves can be intercepted by unauthorized parties.

Adding to the suspicions is the fact that in Israel, Comverse works closely with the Israeli government, and under special programs, gets reimbursed for up to 50 percent of its research and development costs by the Israeli Ministry of Industry and Trade. But investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying through Comverse is considered career suicide.

And sources say that while various F.B.I. inquiries into Comverse have been conducted over the years, they've been halted before the actual equipment has ever been thoroughly tested for leaks. A 1999 F.C.C. document indicates several government agencies expressed deep concerns that too many unauthorized non-law enforcement personnel can access the wiretap system. And the FBI's own nondescript office in Chantilly, Virginia that actually oversees the CALEA wiretapping program, is among the most agitated about the threat.

But there is a bitter turf war internally at F.B.I. It is the FBI's office in Quantico, Virginia, that has jurisdiction over awarding contracts and buying intercept equipment. And for years, they've thrown much of the business to Comverse. A handful of former U.S. law enforcement officials involved in awarding Comverse government contracts over the years now work for the company.

Numerous sources say some of those individuals were asked to leave government service under what knowledgeable sources call "troublesome circumstances" that remain under administrative review within the Justice Department.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

And what troubles investigators most, particularly in New York, in the counter terrorism investigation of the World Trade Center attack, is that on a number of cases, suspects that they had sought to wiretap and survey immediately changed their telecommunications processes. They started acting much differently as soon as those supposedly secret wiretaps went into place – Brit.

HUME: Carl, is there any reason to suspect in this instance that the Israeli government is involved?

CAMERON: No, there's not. But there are growing instincts in an awful lot of law enforcement officials in a variety of agencies who suspect that it had begun compiling evidence, and a highly classified investigation into that possibility – Brit.

HUME: All right, Carl. Thanks very much.

Content and Programming Copyright 2001 Fox News Network

pcr-istu
2005-10-09 06:34:24

Acum ce parere aveti.

FOX News. 4 Part Series
These items have since been removed from the FOX News web site:

Part 4: Carl Cameron Investigates

FNC
Carl Cameron
Monday, December 17, 2001

Part 4 of 4

TONY SNOW, HOST: This week, senior correspondent Carl Cameron has reported on a longstanding government espionage investigation. Federal officials this year have arrested or detained nearly 200 Israeli citizens suspected of belonging to an "organized intelligence-gathering operation." The Bush administration has deported most of those arrested after Sept. 11, although some are in custody under the new anti-terrorism law.

Cameron also investigates the possibility that an Israeli firm generated billing data that could be used for intelligence purpose, and describes concerns that the federal government's own wiretapping system may be vulnerable. Tonight, in part four of the series, we'll learn about the probable roots of the probe: a drug case that went bad four years ago in L.A.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Los Angeles, 1997, a major local, state and federal drug investigating sours. The suspects: Israeli organized crime with operations in New York, Miami, Las Vegas, Canada, Israel and Egypt. The allegations: cocaine and ecstasy trafficking, and sophisticated white-collar credit card and computer fraud.

The problem: according to classified law enforcement documents obtained by Fox News, the bad guys had the cops’ beepers, cell phones, even home phones under surveillance. Some who did get caught admitted to having hundreds of numbers and using them to avoid arrest.

"This compromised law enforcement communications between LAPD detectives and other assigned law enforcement officers working various aspects of the case. The organization discovered communications between organized crime intelligence division detectives, the FBI and the Secret Service."

Shock spread from the DEA to the FBI in Washington, and then the CIA. An investigation of the problem, according to law enforcement documents, concluded, "The organization has apparent extensive access to database systems to identify pertinent personal and biographical information."

When investigators tried to find out where the information might have come from, they looked at Amdocs, a publicly traded firm based in Israel. Amdocs generates billing data for virtually every call in America, and they do credit checks. The company denies any leaks, but investigators still fear that the firm's data is getting into the wrong hands.

When investigators checked their own wiretapping system for leaks, they grew concerned about potential vulnerabilities in the computers that intercept, record and store the wiretapped calls. A main contractor is Comverse Infosys, which works closely with the Israeli government, and under a special grant program, is reimbursed for up to 50 percent of its research and development costs by Israel's Ministry of Industry and Trade.

Asked this week about another sprawling investigation and the detention of 60 Israeli since Sept. 11, the Bush administration treated the questions like hot potatoes.

ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I would just refer you to the Department of Justice with that. I'm not familiar with the report.

COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained. With respect to why they're being detained and the other aspects of your question – whether it's because they're in intelligence services, or what they were doing – I will defer to the Department of Justice and the FBI to answer that.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CAMERON: Beyond the 60 apprehended or detained, and many deported since Sept. 11, another group of 140 Israeli individuals have been arrested and detained in this year in what government documents describe as "an organized intelligence gathering operation," designed to "penetrate government facilities." Most of those individuals said they had served in the Israeli military, which is compulsory there.

But they also had, most of them, intelligence expertise, and either worked for Amdocs or other companies in Israel that specialize in wiretapping. Earlier this week, the Israeli embassy in Washington denied any spying against or in the United States – Tony.

SNOW: Carl, we've heard the comments from Ari Fleischer and Colin Powell. What are officials saying behind the scenes?

CAMERON: Well, there's real pandemonium described at the FBI, the DEA and the INS. A lot of these problems have been well known to some investigators, many of who have contributed to the reporting on this story. And what they say is happening is supervisors and management are now going back and collecting much of the information, because there's tremendous pressure from the top levels of all of those agencies to find out exactly what's going on.

At the DEA and the FBI already a variety of administration reviews are under way, in addition to the investigation of the phenomenon. They want to find out how it is all this has come out, as well as be very careful because of the explosive nature and very political ramifications of the story itself – Tony.

SNOW: All right, Carl, thanks.

Copyright: FOX News.

pcr-istu
2005-10-09 06:50:09

"PRETENI"de nota 10.

Scott Ritter Speaking Truth To Power

Ex-UN weapons inspector compares Blair and Bush to nazis

By Andrew Sparrow, Political Correspondent

Tony Blair and George Bush were compared to Nazi war criminals yesterday by Scott Ritter, the former UN chief weapons inspector. "Both these men could be pulled up as war criminals for engaging in actions that we condemned Germany in 1946 for doing," he said. Continued.

roy
2005-10-09 07:24:54

Re: Acum ce parere aveti.

Mda... materiale din 2001. Si cum s-a terminat "ancheta speciala"? Ceva mai nou nu ai?

BTW, exista un material bun de reprodus la astfel de articole de "jaf": ProtoCALEA intzeleptzilor din Sion", vezi de atunci ne ocupam de afaceri din astea.
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La 2005-10-09 06:34:24, pcr-istu a scris:

> 
> 
> FOX News. 4 Part Series
> These items have since been removed from the FOX News web site:
> 
> Part 4: Carl Cameron Investigates
> 
> FNC
> Carl Cameron
> Monday, December 17, 2001
> 
> Part 4 of 4
> 
> TONY SNOW, HOST: This week, senior correspondent Carl Cameron has
> reported on a longstanding government espionage investigation.
> Federal officials this year have arrested or detained nearly 200
> Israeli citizens suspected of belonging to an "organized
> intelligence-gathering operation." The Bush administration has
> deported most of those arrested after Sept. 11, although some are in
> custody under the new anti-terrorism law.
> 
> Cameron also investigates the possibility that an Israeli firm
> generated billing data that could be used for intelligence purpose,
> and describes concerns that the federal government's own wiretapping
> system may be vulnerable. Tonight, in part four of the series, we'll
> learn about the probable roots of the probe: a drug case that went
> bad four years ago in L.A.
> 
> (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
> 
> CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Los Angeles, 1997,
> a major local, state and federal drug investigating sours. The
> suspects: Israeli organized crime with operations in New York, Miami,
> Las Vegas, Canada, Israel and Egypt. The allegations: cocaine and
> ecstasy trafficking, and sophisticated white-collar credit card and
> computer fraud.
> 
> The problem: according to classified law enforcement documents
> obtained by Fox News, the bad guys had the cops’ beepers,
> cell phones, even home phones under surveillance. Some who did get
> caught admitted to having hundreds of numbers and using them to avoid
> arrest.
> 
> "This compromised law enforcement communications between LAPD
> detectives and other assigned law enforcement officers working
> various aspects of the case. The organization discovered
> communications between organized crime intelligence division
> detectives, the FBI and the Secret Service."
> 
> Shock spread from the DEA to the FBI in Washington, and then the CIA.
> An investigation of the problem, according to law enforcement
> documents, concluded, "The organization has apparent extensive
> access to database systems to identify pertinent personal and
> biographical information."
> 
> When investigators tried to find out where the information might have
> come from, they looked at Amdocs, a publicly traded firm based in
> Israel. Amdocs generates billing data for virtually every call in
> America, and they do credit checks. The company denies any leaks, but
> investigators still fear that the firm's data is getting into the
> wrong hands.
> 
> When investigators checked their own wiretapping system for leaks,
> they grew concerned about potential vulnerabilities in the computers
> that intercept, record and store the wiretapped calls. A main
> contractor is Comverse Infosys, which works closely with the Israeli
> government, and under a special grant program, is reimbursed for up
> to 50 percent of its research and development costs by Israel's
> Ministry of Industry and Trade.
> 
> Asked this week about another sprawling investigation and the
> detention of 60 Israeli since Sept. 11, the Bush administration
> treated the questions like hot potatoes.
> 
> ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I would just refer you to
> the Department of Justice with that. I'm not familiar with the
> report.
> 
> COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm aware that some Israeli citizens
> have been detained. With respect to why they're being detained and the
> other aspects of your question – whether it's because
> they're in intelligence services, or what they were doing –
> I will defer to the Department of Justice and the FBI to answer that.
> 
> 
> (END VIDEOTAPE)
> 
> CAMERON: Beyond the 60 apprehended or detained, and many deported
> since Sept. 11, another group of 140 Israeli individuals have been
> arrested and detained in this year in what government documents
> describe as "an organized intelligence gathering
> operation," designed to "penetrate government
> facilities." Most of those individuals said they had served in
> the Israeli military, which is compulsory there.
> 
> But they also had, most of them, intelligence expertise, and either
> worked for Amdocs or other companies in Israel that specialize in
> wiretapping. Earlier this week, the Israeli embassy in Washington
> denied any spying against or in the United States – Tony.
> 
> SNOW: Carl, we've heard the comments from Ari Fleischer and Colin
> Powell. What are officials saying behind the scenes?
> 
> CAMERON: Well, there's real pandemonium described at the FBI, the DEA
> and the INS. A lot of these problems have been well known to some
> investigators, many of who have contributed to the reporting on this
> story. And what they say is happening is supervisors and management
> are now going back and collecting much of the information, because
> there's tremendous pressure from the top levels of all of those
> agencies to find out exactly what's going on.
> 
> At the DEA and the FBI already a variety of administration reviews are
> under way, in addition to the investigation of the phenomenon. They
> want to find out how it is all this has come out, as well as be very
> careful because of the explosive nature and very political
> ramifications of the story itself – Tony.
> 
> SNOW: All right, Carl, thanks.
> 
> Copyright: FOX News.
> 
> 

serios-glumetul
2005-10-09 09:36:31

Re: parerea mea...// sarmanii di dinsi furara ca iereau baieti buni,hai sa ni furam toti unii pi altii tot timpul sa ni

ni facim viata iad pintru ca si noi sintiem baieti buni ,bre taica draga .! La 2005-10-08 13:08:25, lucid a scris:

> .... ca unul ce am copilarit pe strada Teohari si am auzit relatari
> oculare despre taxiul plin cu hartii de 25 de lei este ca nu a fost
> nici o inscenare ci actul constient si disperat al unor idealisti
> initial (vezi participarea lor la echipele lui Bodnaras in 44),
> complacuti in elita bolshevica a vremii ceva timp dar treziti la
> realitate o data cu constiinta lor evreiasca cand au hotarat sa-si
> schimbe idealul comunist, care-i dezamagise si le era persecutor
> acum, cu cel sionist, ei ajutand efectiv din abanii furati pe cei
> ramasi fara mijloace de trai in asteptarea Aliei. de notat ca nu au
> ucis sau ranit pe absolut nimeni. Deci un fel de desperados in
> cautare de justificare a existentei lor de pana atunci.
> 

evreu mandru din israel
2005-10-09 09:55:27

Re: Minciunea intarziatei...

Din "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohdan_Chmielnicki" :

"Khmelnytsky told the people that the Poles had sold them as slaves "into the hands of the accursed Jews". With this as their battle-cry, the Cossacks killed a large number of Jews during the years 1648–1649. The precise number of dead may never be known, but the decrease of the Jewish population during that period is estimated at 50,000 to 200,000"



La 2005-10-09 05:41:10, Catalina Tarziu a scris:

> Asa ca nu te inteleg de o scoti pe chestia cu Hmelnitki
> care ar fi omorat talmudici? Astea sunt fictiuni.
> 

evreu mandru din israel
2005-10-09 10:05:35

Re: Nicholas F. Taubman noul ambasador american

Ce frustrat trebuie sa fi sa te trezesti dupa 70 de ani din visurile "Capitanului" si sa-l vezi pe unul din urmasii celor prigoniti...

La 2005-10-09 02:20:55, Catalina Tarziu a scris:

> TAUBMAN FAMILY
> Roanoke. Advance Stores founder Arthur Taubman died in 1994 at 92.
> Started his first auto-parts chain in Baltimore. Failed in 1930s.
> Started over in Roanoke, buying three failing auto-parts stores.
> Advance Auto now has more than 1,500 stores. Family in 1997 hired
> Goldman Sachs to find a buyer, then took company off market. Private
> firm Freeman Spogli & Co., which invests in growing companies,
> bought majority stake in March 1998; now owns 39 percent. In November
> Advance Auto purchased Sears Roebuck’s Western Auto Supply
> Co., an auto-parts chain. Sears got $175 million in cash and 40
> percent of the Roanoke company. During World War II, Arthur Taubman
> helped about 500 European Jews escape to the United States by
> claiming them as "cousins." Son Nicholas F. Taubman, 64 and
> a fan of antique cars, remains chairman. No planned family succession.
> Taubman family, including Nicholas’ mother, Grace, and wife,
> Eugenia, still own about 10 percent of the company, along with some
> property and the old company plane, which Taubman bought in 1998 for
> $4.1 million.
> Net Worth: $400 million*
> 
>